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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 90 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Those experts are whackadoo insane and/or on the payroll.

[–] CallMeAl@piefed.zip 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In this case it's Marc Andreessen. He's not on the payroll. He is the payroll.

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 23 points 1 week ago

The man with the most egg shaped head who doesn't understand introspection or thinking about.. things?

The man is actually a moron. Straight up someone who I don't think I could have a pleasant conversation with without making fun of the money man.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can name a ton of bullshit jobs at my company. Heck, I know whole departments that shouldn't exist. But they do because some management consultant said we needed it to improve our attractiveness to investors or if we IPO or something like that. But they will cut the people that actually do the work.

[–] mriormro@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everyone always thinks it’s their job that isn’t the bullshit one.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Naa, I actually worked some of these same jobs myself and it was how I became convinced that they were bullshit jobs.

[–] dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] realitista@lemmus.org 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We have a partner team that ostensibly manages the partners, but the sales team already does this as all sales go through partners, so the partner team just makes up reports and busy work for the sales people to extract data from them.

We have a sales engineering management team, but the sales engineering team just used to report into the regional sales leads, which gave them about double the time to do actual work because now this unneeded management layer has to create work, initiatives, and reports to justify their existence, but all it accomplishes is sapping about half of their teams time away on tasks that usually actually make their effectiveness worse.

I have held both of these jobs.

The worst thing is that all of these silos are fighting over the same KPI's so if one wins the other loses. The sales account managers are stuck in the middle because they decide how to make the reports work so that one or the other side wins. That's the job I hold now and it's the one where all the work actually happens to hold up these other dead weight roles.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

There are strong incentives to tell someone to downsize rather than staying the same size. Investors love the occasional human sacrifice, and you can always achieve a short-term productivity increase by reducing the denominator (headcount), at least until real metrics start showing the qualitative decline that almost inevitably follows. And then you can sneakily recruit some new suckers.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 51 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The place I work at I wouldn't say is "over staffed" but it is maybe "wrong-staffed".

They have a full time "scrum master" and from what I can tell all she does it share her screen so people can awkwardly tell her which tickets to click on, and she calls on people in order during the morning meeting. That's a whole-ass job. Meanwhile, devops is like crying blood because there's like 2 of them managing decades of systems, and no senior engineering roles have been backfilled after people left for years.

[–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Very similar issue here... Scrum masters that invite themselves to every meeting to run them, but are not able to contribute meaningfully in any way. I guess it's not just my company that does agile wrong

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Scrum of the earth.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm fortunate to have an effective scrum master. She knows the products will enough to properly interface with our different stage holders. The amount of shit that doesn't make it to us because she's essentially our firewall to the customers, is astounding.

That said, there are plenty of other business decisions being made that are rapidly leading to a team wide brain drain. The top brass is so out of touch with reality, and they make major decisions on that ignorance without consulting anyone that knows anything. It's also turned into a boys club at the top, so there's no individual accountability, just yes men.

[–] trem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

I mean, without knowing the details what your scrum master does, that feels more like a 'product owner' role to me.

But to be fair, I'm also not sure, what the 'scrum master' role is actually supposed to do. Some say, scrum masters really need to be deeply involved in the whole project to be able to question/assist the way of working.
And then there's the reality at my company, which is that scrum masters often have 10+ projects, where they just hop between meetings to host them, while hardly being able to contribute anything...

[–] mx_smith@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Do you work for the same company I do. We just laid off our senior dev ops manager and moved the team to our India office.

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[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Unless their employees can take vacations whenever they want with no pushback about coverage and they’re not forcing them to work late nights and weekends, they’re not overstaffed. I don’t think there’s a tech company in this country that hasn’t squeezed every bit of their employees’ schedules that they can without major pushback. We should be working fewer hours, not overtime and until that happens, we’re absolutely not overstaffed.

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, it usually means overstaffed with too expensive workers.

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Definitely from the company’s perspective, but I have a hard time believing that the workers are expensive from a perspective of what they should be making if wages kept pace with inflation and skills for the last six decades or so.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In our case, when you look at the skills needed to keep our services running, it's single failure points all the way down. At best, only nearly so.

There's always a mad dash to get leave requests in for Christmas as soon as possible, since the latecomers almost always get refused due to thin coverage.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Instead of always worrying about having a job, maybe we should be pissed that not having a job means homelessness and starvation.

Not having proper safety nets in a society that demonizes homelessness as a moral failing is the real problem.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 week ago

This.

It can get even worse

If I lose my job, I won't be able to stay here, I'll get deported, I might lose my marriage as well, I'll lose everything in life

And the company owner knows this and oh boy is he having fun with that knowledge. So they scream their lungs out at me, insulting me to my face. What am I going to do about it? Quit? Complain and get fired?

Fuck all this

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

I can't speak for other fields, but I've worked in IT as a sysadmin for about a decade at a bunch of different companies, big and small.

I've never worked at a place that was close to "overstaffed" nearly every place I've worked we've needed at least 2-4 additional people.

Everybody was overworked, overwhelmed with tickets and projects, working 50+ hours a week constantly.

But upper management and executives love claiming that staffing is maxed out and needs to get more lean. Like, dude, our IT team is handling dozens of tickets a day, running 5-10 different infrastructure projects simultaneously, and keeping near-decade old equipment alive because we were denied our third budget request in a row.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Add onto that, the fact that upper management is 4 or 5 people deep as well. Basically more management than workers.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 week ago

It's a pyramid - almost always is. If you average 5 direct reports, 5 deep, that's 1 at the top, 5 on level 2, 25 on level 3, 125 on level 4, and 625 worker bees. The bees still outnumber the managers, which is how the managers justify 20% raises while the bees have to suck it up with 2% (in an economy that inflated prices 4%) - too many bees to give all of them a real raise, much cheaper to "reward and retain our good people" at the top. /s

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In 30 years of employment, I've never had a job where any department at any company I've been with seemed properly staffed to say nothing of overstaffed.

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

My whole career was like this until I moved to the public sector. Now, I wouldn't say we are over staffed, but my team of 3 has about 2.5 people worth of work, such that if one person is out we can still handle everything, if two people are out it gets stressful.

By comparison it feels like I am exhaling for the first time in 25 years.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, a lack of revenue can also be stated as "overstaffed", I suppose. "We have too many people for the business we no longer have."

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And it’s not even a lack of revenue. Profits are still coming in the billions, it’s just that they have to keep it going up every quarter to keep the shareholders happy.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Constant growth till death, like cancer.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Welcome to capitalism! It needs geometric growth but we life in a world of linear constraints.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The inefficiencies come from the top.

Management comes up with unrealistic ideas, people run in circles trying to keep up, and then management decides the reason that their revenue goals or whatever aren’t being met is because of over staffing, not their harebrained ideas.

It’s not like 25-75% of employees are just playing video games all day (though there’s people who do that). They’re dealing with the corporate machine - the real “culture”, not the one that’s so carefully “cultivated” by management dictating office hours. Getting in meetings that should be emails, answering “just a quick question” that destroys their thought process, and dealing with AI being crammed down their throat.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 1 week ago

Are they overstaffed due to overhiring, or are they overstaffed due to the changing macro-economic picture which has derailed growth?

[–] e461h@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

They make far too much money to be ‘over staffed’. They are overcommitted to billionaire shareholders. They always blame a blameless entity for shitty actions. See ‘the economy’ etc. Might as well blame the weather.

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They've been saying they over hired during the pandemic for years, now. There's no way they hadn't already shed those "extra" employees by now.

[–] Eric@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The goal is zero employees and 100% profit.

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 2 points 1 week ago

And without customers, 100% of 0 is still 0

[–] uberfreeza@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have only worked a handful of "traditional" jobs in which ai could do anything major, and even then it can't replace any job I had (in my opinion). But regardless, in none of my jobs have I had "too many" coworkers. The only time I'd say as much was when a company was hiring to preemptively fill roles they knew were going to be vacant. Although I did notice bigger companies had the perception they were overstaffed, because they also had no communication with lower rungs at all.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I worked for a company which "prepared for a growth spurt" by hiring +10% of the total workforce in sales specialized for an upcoming anticipated opportunity. Then the opportunity was delayed and the extra 10% literally were twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do. Then the opportunity went sour, very difficult sales compared to what was anticipated, but instead of backing down, they did a 10% RIF across the board. I left voluntarily after that, along with about 10% of the survivors of the RIF. Big talk of "back to work, business as usual, if you're still here we love you and will never let you go." Less than another year later, another 10% RIF.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

10% hire, then a 10% RIF means you end up 1% down from where you started.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 week ago

Yep - and it's all arbitrary, horse traded, biased, and judgemental anyway.

Place I worked would hire by DEI incentivized ratios (in 2005), but during a RIF those let go were overwhelmingly brown skinned... Also worth noting: they did +10% they couldn't afford, then within a year ended up doing -10% RIF followed by -10% voluntary exit during hiring freeze followed by another -10% RIF. But, the CEO and CFO did get their multi-million $ parachutes on their way off the top floor anyhow. All feedback after I left voluntarily was overwhelmingly in the direction of: good decision - those who remained were not rewarded and did not have fun doing everybody else's jobs.

[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago

Oracle terminated 30k emploees.

[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I manage a web team for a pretty big company. It's just me and a Jr dev. Even with AI, we still can't keep up.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.

[–] thejml@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

From my time in the industry, I can say most are probably 25-75% overstaffed for their current requirements, but not for their current dreams. They invent projects they think will do something and hire for that, but it doesn't align with the work they should or need to be doing. Their dreams aren't always valid or rooted in reality within their experience and market niche.

So you get the wrong staff for the job you need to do because you staffed for what you wanted to do and end up with more people needing to do jobs they don't have the knowledge or experience for trying to use AI to fill that gap.

You get an inefficient work force and end up having to cut the wrong things to make the line keep going up in unsustainable ways. The pressure to make line go up often gets in the way of making the line more consistent. And it often gets in the way of that dream that maybe could have worked if you gave it the time it needed to bake before giving up to make the board happy.

[–] boogiebored@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

The bloat always starts at C level

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Theres a couple people I saw recently that went though the process of getting another job.

One was network engineer, he was snatched up really quick (less than a week looking). Another was a software developer and had a harder time (something around a month from what they told me in the meetup).

Both were remote.

I know it kinda sucks...but there are still jobs out there. They are just not in the MAANGA world ATM. I personally think those companies are trying to get beyond having staff as much as possible (which is silly).

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