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Meanwhile i have a linux server that's currently running individual LXC containers for hosting
Snipe-it, zammad, paperlessNGX, wiki.js, rustdesk server, firefly III, flare, among a few other things. And it's barely using 6GB total. Less than windows sitting at desktop these days. It's pathetic how bad windows has become.
I can run a gba emulator, an llm, a full os and a browser all at the same time with 4gb, so I think Windows is the compromise
I run a full os, a browser, and vintage story. It uses nearly 18 gigs of ram. I think linux is the problem.
Ram is ram, you have either be stupid or making a bad faith argument to say what is or isn't a good amount of it.
The only correct amount of ram is the amount that covers your work load. Full stop. Yes windows could use less ideally. But we can't keep pretending that 8 gigs of ram is remotely fucking acceptable for ever.
Just because you don't use programs that consume larger amounts of ram doesn't mean none of us do.
Wow. Not too transparent are they? RAM prices go up worldwide. Microsoft - "We need you to buy more RAM to successfully run are mostly unnecessary, bloated crap".
Ofc if your OS needs just 6-7GB only for running itself and nothing else...
They can fuck right off
In the middle of a RAM pricing crisis? Fuck off microslop.
A RAM pricing crisis they created through OPENAI, no less.
"640KB of memory ought to be enough for anybody."
I have 32 GB RAM in my linux box. Not because I need it (I use 5,7GB currently), but because it was kind of cheap when I build the box. 16 GB or 32 GB were just a few Euros apart.
But with the current RAM crisis? Holy crap, that is kind of a tone deaf statement
Im running Void on a 2013, dual core atom, netbook with 1800MB of ram, THAT is a compromise. No more than 4-5 tabs at a time, only one if I want to watch a video, but it works.
16GB being the minimum for a desktop OS is insane.
God damn I brought an old atom back to life with the leanest distro I could run just a month ago. 1gb ram. It is an absolute paperweight.
The atom processors were garbage when they came out. I hate e waste as much as the next person but that's a level of masochism I will not subject myself to. Pull the salvageables and refine the rest into a pawn shop puddle.
Same here, but I put in 64GB because it was cheap. The only app I used (I don't anymore) that would make use of that much was Photoshop, back when I was still a graphic designer. Even then, I didn't need it, but it was nice to have.
Microsoft just straight up admitting that they're not optimising their OS anymore
Ever since Windows 7.
Since the NT kernel.
Since DOS 4
Why should the OS itself, which is just supposed to facilitate the running of programs, use so much memory?
TL;DR: to spy on you.
I was kind of humbled to see how much less ressources Debian was using.
It needed one GB of memory after install in full memory.
Meanwhile Canonical
https://www.techpowerup.com/347967/ubuntu-26-04-lts-raises-recommended-memory-requirement-to-6-gb?cp=2
I run Debian on 6GBs. Before that, Windows 10 was close to unusable, but in all fairness I had it on an HDD while Debian is running off a by now two years old SSD.
While Ubuntu recommends 6GB, it still uses much less than that even if you open Chrome lol
If you enable zswap, you could probably live with 4GB
it shouldn't. the problem really boils down to devs for stuff that aren't optimizing anything.
For example I'm currently using a basic build Fedora 44 with Niri and a quickshell. I have 32gigs of ram on my current machine and at idle it uses just over 2gigs of memory. to me that's too much. Niri uses about 160mb but quickshell/noctalia-shell uses about 400mb. too much. I need to stop using it.
I use Foot as my terminal and that AT MOST will use 14mb of ram. that's it. I point to Foot and say "that's how things should be".
then adding something like a Browser and Discord into the mix and just forget about it. suddenly that 32gigs is being eaten alive. even today running a system on 16 is cutting it close because of the bullshit you need to run. I mean even a browser like Qutebrowser which SHOULD be light is going to eat ram because it's running python and qtwebkit crap. And don't get me started on Discord and ALL the various "we make discord better" apps that really don't. vestkop, vencord, eqowhatever, doesn't matter it's all electron which treats your ram as an all you can eat buffet.
Fuck Discord
Right?! I have a debian NAS running openmediavault, it has music streaming and samba network shares. it only has 256MB RAM and doesn't even use all that.
32gb is the new standard they need to run poorly optimized start menus and telemetry in the background while they think no one is paying attention
Not at these prices it ain't. Back to 8 it is.
Why not Linux?
Linux at home yes. But corporate has insisted the price increases dont matter at my work as my bonus is engulfed.
With 32 GB system RAM, Microsoft believes that the games can have more "breathing room".
There's no such thing as "breathing room", dammit. Once you set up 32 GB as standard, shitty / assumptive developers are going to say "well, we assooooome users have 32 GB. It would be a waste to design the game to use less than that lol lmao". Specially devs doing the same as Microslop, and using AI shitty code to pump out code faster than humans can desloppify.
In reality, if software used the native UI toolkits instead of Electron, even 12 GB could be reliably used for gaming, HEAVY gaming.
Indeed. Now we're starting up a whole new OS sandbox for every damn app. It's ridiculous.
"Bully tells nerd to come to school with more lunch money next time" ass bullshit.
just like the gaming industry telling you 60fps is too low and your GTX series graphics card is inadequate today. but despite this i, amazingly, get by just fine. it's literally just blatant consumerism.
Slop code and CSS kids need that space!
I still remember that the first time in my life I gave any thought to RAM is when my childhood PC was upgraded from 1GB to 3GB.
I don't do radically different things on the computer nowadays than I did back then, yet that would nowadays be unusable.
Alright Linux guys... how much RAM do you use on a normal day? Not looking at you power guys who are running every damn thing to max out your 128GB...
I have 32GB but rarely hit over 8GB, probably less, unless I'm running some serious apps like graphics.
I got that 32GB because of Win10 to give me more comfort room. Now I don't need it as much running Linux.
16GB of RAM, 16GB of swap, and we often fill up both. So many browser tabs. Soooo many browser tabs.
6/8GB lmao. I have some tabs, spotify, discord, protonmail etc. open, casual stuff. This one is my old one running zorin, I can get it to about 1GB on idle which is fine since I have eye candy settings. I had mint on this earlier, but for some reason it drank memory like a sponge and I could barely have couple tabs open, so I dunno whatever zorin is doing but it's working way lighter
Linux says "Hold my beer...." https://youtu.be/LJEo6Kb6Rhg
Been using CachyOS the past while on my gaming laptop, it’s stupid how much better it is with zero extra steps other than basic install. Can’t recommend it enough.