Canada

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it really feels like the separation thing is mostly a guise so that the US can step in and "save" the struggling and destitute Alberta.

In 2021, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation pegged Albertans’ contribution to equalization as $650 per capita.

Lol. Lmao even.

Let's risk a very unclear future, sold to us by utopian libertarians over $650 per person.

I'm Albertan. I'm also quite Liberal, so kind of rare in these parts.

Anyway, I just can't wrap my head around the logic of the separatist have. Cut off ALL federal programs. Make your own programs, which is more than likely going to be blindingly more expensive due inefficiencies in starting from scratch. Cut all income tax (are you stupid?). Institute PST, something that is political sepukku in Alberta. Oh. And don't forget to base your economy on a marginal product, with no access to foreign markets, whose commodity prices are controlled by a cartel.

Get the fuck out, and come back to me with some valid logic

Carney needs to start a loud public investigation into foreign money. Expose these jerks.

The thing that really gets me is, Alberta doesn't like how hard it is to build a pipeline that would run into other provinces, and how in the world is being a separate country supposed to help with that? Do they think building across an international border will be easier than building across an interprovincial one?

... Cameron Davies is the leader of the Republican Party of Alberta

Jfc. :/

So is like Alberta the Mississippi of Canada?

“Honestly, I hate this country right now. If I could leave, I would.”

Darling, If I could throw you out, I would.

Alberta screwed themselves when they rejected national energy program that would have cost them some provincial control in exchange for building Canadian energy self sufficiency. They would have pipelines crisscrossing Canada and refineries to boot to get 'their' oil to. However they were hoodwinked by US corporate interest into rejecting the NEP and they have been taken advantage of by those same corporate interests ever since. Along with that the Alberta government has spend every waking moment blaming Ottawa. No AB sales tax to even out cyclical O&G revenues? Ottawa's fault, somehow. Not enough environmental deposits to clean up after the O&G company has taken all the profits it wants and offshored them? Ottawa's fault. No refineries? US extraction companies want to refine in US and close Canadian sites, Ottawa's fault. Petro Canada. Short sightedly sold by Conservatives. Was Ottawa's fault but at the behest of Alberta.

I can imagine a mass exodus too. I live here. I'd rather be homeless and jobless made destitute with a mortgage on a made worthless house than American.

So, if Alberta reaches the promised land of glorious independence or whatever, how exactly do they plan on trading outside their borders without being taxed to oblivion by one of two much larger bordering nations any time we try to get resources in or out?

...and for Canada

That's why the shitheads are funding it

I wonder if they included the cost of armed forces, border and customs agencies, foreign embassies, aviation and environmental regulatory agencies, national pension systems, and federal service staffing in their calculations? Or are they assuming the two behemoths landlocking them would just... let them be...? Both Canada and the US could decimate Alberta economically and I can see the current US administrarion doing it purposefully with the intention of annexing them.

Sometimes I wonder if separatists really just want Alberta to be a part of the US since we all know that's how this would play out in the end.

I think, if you don't like where you live, you should move, but you can't take your land with you. I also think, if you don't care about separation but push the agenda just to entangle yourself with powerful cabals above and beyond your reach, should be a special kind of treason.

trade Alberta for Washington, Oregon, and California

While a critic might argue that’s just swapping one federal government for another, Lorusso argues that’s not the case in the US, where states have powers that Canadian provinces do not.

States don't have the power to secede, so it's a hotel california situation. Health care is not under control of any state. $100k in extra debt per person = $4000+/year in interest. $3000/year per capita military spending, about to increase to $5000/year. Higher interest rates and home building costs, including O&G drilling costs due to tariffs on Canada.

If negotiating secession with Canada, Crown land should stay with Canada or at least form a land bridge within Canada. Canadian policies would charge more for transporting Alberta exports, and reduce their energy use. Alberta secession economic optimism is based on going all in on dead ender energy without any real friends. Don't expect keys to the store open arms invitation to being 51st state, either.