Seems kinda arbitrary when the spec goes up to 240W
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There's always going to be some delay.
USB PD EPR (extended power range, i.e. more than 100 w) was released in 2021. The relevant eu directive here was passed in 2022 for rules to take effect in 2024 and 2026.
I think writing a 1-year-old spec into the law might be jumping the gun.
I've never seen one with more than 200w. Have you?
Framework sells a 240W charger. But I agree, it would have been too soon to enact such a new spec into law.
I think the idea is 100W minimum
EU declares phones and laptops that charge at less than 100W illegal.
Stock prices of 10 chinese smartphone makers dectuples, rest of industry plumets.
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They need to require the USB C ports to be user replaceable.
Costs about $30 in my country. Just need a guy who knows how to solder
You need someone with a good hot air rework station and preheater. The full function USB C connectors have a second row of pins under the connector. They can't be replaced with just a soldering iron.
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honestly the ports are whatever, I care more about the shitty TI PD controllers that always break and are programmed and not replaceable even by people who can replace the ports.
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Guess it’s 101W MacBook time
Macbooks have been type-C charging for a decade now. I think Apple was a big part in creating the standard.
Yeah. MagSafe is great too.
Oh yeah they brought that back by popular demand. Patent expires this year.
I’m glad the patent is expiring because this should have been the standard 18 years ago.
I'm hoping for a pre-made Framework expansion card.
That would be nice
I wonder what would happen if I slapped it into my desktop.
They'll just pull a Coca-Cola and make it slightly different but worse, then after a few years they'll bring it back with a new name and a new patent.
AFAIK it was the EU that forced Apple to adopt USB-C, at least on iPhones, dunno if that applies to their laptops too.
For phones and tablets. Apple has been using usb-c on their laptops for a while.
Also, want to mention that USB4 standard is compatible with Thunderbolt 4 and therefore makes 1 connector compatible with all the devices. AFAIK that was not forced by EU but a cooperation between Apple and USB designer groups. But I might be wrong on that one.
No, their laptops used to be only usb c until a fee years ago when enough people started complaining the lack of ports
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Ahh my bad, never owned one
Yes. They have it coexisting with MagSafe which is not like them if they weren’t part of the standard.
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It's good for any charger development that's been an anti-consumer practice, but chargers like the old magsafe and the Surface chargers are honestly better. The amount of times someone trips on it makes a magnetic charger a lifesaver.
Apple just does Magsafe + USB-C now, or did last time I had an MBP at least (M2 Pro for work)
Which is perfect, but you can also get a USB-C cord with a magnetically attached plug.
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i just use my USB C with a little adaptor on my Surface Pro 7+ (that now runs LMDE). You can charge via the SP port or the USB C port but I always seem to have something plugged in the USB port
Yeahhhh but the standard is 240w. I swear they are doing this on purpose. A battery law that doesnt apply to 80% of new phones, a charger law that doesnt apply to gaming laptops.
Even 120W charging is anything but common in laptops that are not for gaming or mobile workstations. Although I do wish they sat it at least that high
Looking at Anker website, their most expensivest charging block is 250W with a 140W max per port.
140W blocks are not so common. Anything beyond that is super rare if even exists.
Your typical laptop would utilize 45-85W with the most common 65W. Some gaming laptops would need 240W or more. 240W is a technical limit for USB-C PD right now. As an example, a gaming laptop - Legion Pro 7 16 is rated 400W and a laptop for creators - ThinkPad P14s is rated 100W.
In the end, the most common power block is 65W that will be sufficient with majority of devices. The law is making sense in a way that they will remove all those barrel jacks and proprietary connectors from most common devices leaving them for specific cases.
As Lemmyman posted above:
There’s always going to be some delay.
USB PD EPR (extended power range, i.e. more than 100 w) was released in 2021. The relevant eu directive here was passed in 2022 for rules to take effect in 2024 and 2026.
I think writing a 1-year-old spec into the law might be jumping the gun.
So when you write:
I swear they are doing this on purpose.
What is the conspiracy you are implying?
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I'm not sure a USB C cable exists that could charge my gaming laptop, even if my laptop supported it.
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God damn it why does getting a universal standard for charging take so much effort?!
Don't answer that. I know why. I'm just frustrated.
We are getting closer. I'm thrilled at the potential. Also fuck this shit...
I get all of it... But I'm still angry. We are so god damn close.
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because of the knobs in this thread who are arguing that usb c sucks and there should be something better and proprietary.
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With the new iphones having usb c I have experienced charging nirvana and it is as great as the prophecies foretold.
I must believe what the prophecies say about laptop chargers is true, that one day we shall all charge our laptops with the same port.
As someone with a USB-C phone and laptop: yes, it's this good.
I can use laptop charger to charge my phone, and yes, phone charger to charge my laptop (although it takes a while).
I can grab a power bank (got a 65w 40000mAh one) and add juice to both phone and laptop.
I am never lost without power.
Remember, Wwth great power comes great responsibility!
Legit question: for a laptop, wouldn't a simple standardized round connector and standard voltage be more simple, more resistant and cheaper than the complexity of usb-c? What are the benefits of usb-c charging in laptops? Phones also use the port for data transfer and occasional peripherals, but that's not a problem for laptops
The charging port doubles as an anythingelse port. Excellent for docking stations and one-cord work station setups in office.
The standard already exists and laptops all already have these ports, anything else would be extra, extra space used, extra development, extra parts, extra unique parts, etc.
We want One cord for all devices to be charged, not one for phones, one for PCs, one for TVs, one for laptops, etc.
USB-C is a better form factor for thin devices than anything circular.
We want laptops to be able to charge stuff plugged into them fast, so they already have all the components (or most of the same designs) for "can be charged themselves".
Don't have to manufacture or source a separate power brick, just pick power brick ABC that can handle your wattage desire.
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