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I'm not saying it's easy, but it is simple. Disobey illegal orders.
Exactly. It's not an "urgent matter for the chain of command", it's a settled matter of policy predicated on the unlawful murder of millions.
Agreed. I regret that the consequences for doing the right thing could be very high, but doesn't it just seem like case in so many instances? What a backwards species humans are. No consequences for the guy causing all of the problems but how dare you do the right thing to everyone who rightfully objects.
No one wants to be excluded from the group, that’s our nature. It means immediate end of career and likely a bunch of hate speech and death threats to the first officer who openly says “no, I refuse that order,” so I can understand why no one has done it….but it’s also the WHOLE FUCKING OATH so I can’t believe no one has done it. More will follow unless we let this purge continue quietly
The orange cancer won't be here forever. You commit war crimes, you will find yourself on a very unpleasant trial.
Grow some fucking spines. You commit these war crimes on the demand of a pedophile rapist felon, then you deserve the same fate. You will be a disgrace, a pariah.
They know the rules, and several elected officials reminded them in video messages that were very controversial.
They are walking into this with their eyes wide open, knowing the entire world is watching. If they accept those orders, and carry them out, they know it will not be forgotten, they will be punished for it eventually. They deserve no mercy if they follow that path.
That's not a "dilemma." You don't commit war crimes. You absolutely have the right and the duty to refuse illegal orders
I genuinely didn't expect that level of "both sides"-ism from The Guardian.
Ah yes the nazi dilemma.
We solved that one in nuremberg. How is it even a question ffs
Been a long time since then. It ain't that they forgot, it's that they think it shouldn't be their problem
Operation Paperclip showed them that there can be exceptions written into literally any rule including mass murder, so of course they all assume they’ll be pardoned.
Pedophile orders you to commit war crimes for which you know you eventually WILL be judged...
Mmmmm, that IS a tough one...
Thanks you fucking maga idiots. We all told you what was up and you ignored us.
They also ignored all their teachers.
That's how they became MAGAts.
I bet all those big macho MAGAs are breaking down the doors at the recruiting office, riiiight?
aren't they illegal orders?
the kind of orders where following them would be committing war crimes
See the thing is is that you should be afraid of the consequences when you lose. Following illegal orders = war crimes.
Everyone with a functioning brain-cell knows that Trump is going to throw kegsbreath under the bus to save himself, and I for one can't wait to see his smug slick backed face hung for war crimes.
Hanged. Ain't no way this textbook case of overcompensating masculine fragility is hung, lbr.
Saluting the Commander and Thief of the US military for trying to claim the "#1 child killer" title.
Also has Congress rubber stamped this shit?
Congressional Republicans are literal traitors. They rubberstamp anything Trump does.
Spineless, amoral cowards driven solely by enriching themselves so they can afford dubious plastic surgeries.
Not to bothsides the issue because Republicans are literal death cult pedophiles, but big-D Democrats are also complacent. They're using the war to fundraise but have been awfully quiet otherwise
(Seriously, my entire SMS history looks like this)
You gotta be pretty low on the evolutionary ladder to obey orders from a felon rapist pedophile with dementia.
Officers now have to decide whether or not to commit war crimes? Wow, that is a dilemma, I wouldn't want to be forced to make that decision. This article does a really good job humanizing their struggle, you can't help but feel bad for them.
We've already committed war crimes. Thus is just another day at the office.
I've had people tell me that the soldiers firing missiles or piloting drones don't necessarily know that it's a kindergarten they've been ordered to obliterate, and sure I can see that being the case, but don't they see the reports later? And then go back to work and bomb the next thing they're told to?
Yea so I don’t care. Ignorance isn’t an excuse for us when we speed. It’s not an excuse to kill kids. Question what the fuck your are doing or take the fucking blame for it. It’s so fucking tiring seeing so many people claim they don’t accept responsibility because they chose to be fucking stupid. That’s worse in my eyes and the world would be better off if we all followed that rule.
placing our warfighters on a path of no return
Can we go back to calling them soldiers?
They are going to automate weaponry so soldiers never face a moral dilemma and get in the way of the war machine.
More like this with MAGA brainwash
Sure. But they already fired or demoted most of the military leadership that wasn't on board with following absolutely any order, legal or otherwise. So now the "dilemma" falls mostly to lower-level officers and enlisted.
There are plenty of brainwashed talibangelicals in the military who will happily push the world into global war at trump’s command.