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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 67 points 11 months ago

I wanna quibble with this just a little bit. People work. Left to their own devices, with their needs met, people will dedicate their energy toward generating value.

What no one wants to do is a job, which is an arrangement by which several of us have to do more in exchange for less so one of us can do nothing all day and then complain that "nobody wants to work anymore".

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

When people say "nobody wants to work", what they mean is nobody wants to work for them. People will work for themselves, for people they care about, or even humanity in general, but I think it's fair to say nobody ever wanted to work just to make money for someone else.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

If left to my own devices, I'll generate art. I give it away and almost never sell it. A lot of it is bad art and has no value.

[-] version_unsorted@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

Nah dude, it is only "bad" and "has no value" in this capitalist economy. Keep making art, it is valuable.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Thanks! I've never let it bother me. I make funky stuff for my own amusement. I go by the horseshoe theory that priceless is the same as worthless on the 'value' scale. Maybe it's more like an ouroboros than a horseshoe? Anyway, I'm not afraid of making things for the "art bin", I make it to exercise the idea.

[-] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I love doing art for just for the sake of it

[-] the_post_oftom_joad@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 11 months ago

My house is filled with my friends 'bad' art because i love her and it makes me happy when i look at it

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I love it when people describe things by their function to pull the rug out from under the label people who bastardize meaning!

[-] giggling_engine@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Very well put.

I always like to say that I love my job, but I hate my boss and my stupid colleagues because they always seem to be getting in the way OF DOING MY FUCKING JOB. In 2023 it seems like work is more like a highschool popularity contest rather than about giving value to the company.

So in practice, I hate working. But it was never about the job. The narcissists are the ones ruining it.

[-] WallEx@feddit.de 17 points 11 months ago

Nice one.

Although honestly it's not true for me, I would need some activity, some learning to happen to be contempt. But that's me ^^

[-] DeathByMagikarp@lemmy.one 29 points 11 months ago

I've never understood this argument. "I couldn't not work because I'd be too bored/I need to feel useful/I need mental/physical enrichment, etc." You can be unemployed and still do things. You don't have to sit on your couch all day staring at the wall. You can take up hobbies, volunteer, travel, all without having to worry about a work schedule. I would retire in an instant if I had the opportunity.

[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Some people don't function well without hard boundaries or someone else holding them accountable. I don't get it myself but it seems to be pretty common. It includes the "I can't work from home because I'd just play Xbox all day" crowd.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago

After a while those people will also search for something more in life.

We shouldn't blame them for wanting a rest a couple of months after Capitalism forced them into servitude for so many years.

[-] Lifebandit666@feddit.uk 4 points 11 months ago

I agree wholeheartedly, and when we got locked down for COVID I learned how to play guitar and automate my house using a raspberry pi. It was a great time, and I look back on it fondly. I finally had time to pursue things that interested me, that I didn't have time for with work.

Nowadays I play guitar and tinker with home automation, and work as well, but back then I had the hours to put in to starting the hobbies.

[-] WallEx@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago

I think you are right, but having a purpose to doing stuff (be it monetary or others) can help imo.

Also I don't sit on my couch all day, even if I'm working ^^

[-] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 13 points 11 months ago

If you can't afford me at my worst, you can't afford me at my best.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

If you can't afford me at my price, you can't afford me in the feels.

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

We have fed you all for a thousand years, for that was our doom you know

From the days where you chained us in your fields, to the strike of a week ago

[-] aluminium@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Open source exists where often nobody gets payed

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago

They still do it for a reason.

Sometimes that reason is just "I want it like that but it doesn't exist"

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There are plenty of reasons to work for "free" in FOSS. Having contributed to a valued project looks great on a CV, and sometimes it's just for passion.

[-] LoamImprovement@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

You know, I used to think that about myself. I've found that I actually enjoy intermittent periods of doing things that are valuable and could be construed as work, when I'm well-rested and the impacts of trauma are minimized. But the problem is that state so rarely exists in life for so many people because we are forced to do this shit day in and day out, and they call us lazy and entitled when we no longer have the capacity to handle it. I've been in a near-continuous state of burnout for so long that I cannot imagine myself happy even if I never had to work again. My anhedonia is so bad that when I get home from work, all I do is eat and sleep, even on the weekends. I put some shit on YouTube to pass the time and I can't even remember what it is I watched, it's more or less just a grey noise generator. Deep in the back of myself I remember a person who once enjoyed things and had goals and dreams, but about the same time I start feeling like that person again, I have to go back to work, and it starts all over. This is no way to live.

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