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French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday said it would be unrealistic to launch a military operation to force open the Strait of Hormuz after US President Donald Trump challenged allies to work towards reopening it. In unusually strong criticism, Macron accused Trump of constantly contradicting himself on the Iran war and of undermining faith in the NATO military alliance.

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[–] sleepmode@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Oh look. He’s doing the exact opposite of what Macron and everyone else is demanding just to be spiteful. Eye for an eye. Send fucking Mamdani in. He knows how to play a narcissist like a fiddle just like Trump’s staff does.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

talking to the most UNSERIOUS administration.

[–] KeithD@lemmy.nz 19 points 1 day ago

Macron should be a bit more realistic. Expecting Trump to be serious?!?

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 105 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"You have to be serious. When you want to be serious, you don't say the opposite every day of what you said the day before. And perhaps you shouldn't talk every day," Macron said.

Wouldn't that be nice

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Watching Europe get openly crankier in realtime is one of the few satisfying parts of this. I'm waiting for one of them to call him "shits-for-brains" and then they all laugh and huddle back together while seated in the lunchroom at Davos or something.

[–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I saw a redditor say "If they closed it by force it can be opened by force"

lmfao

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 23 hours ago

It’s funny because it wasn’t closed by force, it was closed by nervous insurance companies, by companies not wanting to move their ships through if they’re not insured.

Like Iran isn’t patrolling it with some blockade, sinking any ship that dares run it. In fact they haven’t sunk a single ship as far as I know. They’ve just made it clear that they still pose a risk to any ship that passes And that theoretical risk is enough to spook insurance companies and stop ships.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They probably think that if you break an egg by force, you can reassemble it by force.

[–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

Seems accurate.

[–] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 36 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So Trump created this whole mess. Then he is asking others to go there and put their necks on the line to fix the wreck he created and what he can't fix.

You create the mess, you fix the mess.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Trump is trying to bait them in for ww3. He doesn't benefit in any way from being humiliated. He needs WW3 so he can try to remain in power. Without power, hell spend the rest of his days in a cell.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Honestly I doubt that Democrats would move for prosecution. This is the party of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. There’s no way they want consequences for a member of their own class.

Now, if Trump were a leftist and breaking norms to the benefit of the working class, he’d already be executed.

[–] MML@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What are basing that on, if Trump were removed tomorrow, who would be president, how do you see that playing out in your head? We'll put in the side that refused to punish him and he is wealthy now due to raiding documents, he'll unfortunately be fine at best he'll been in cushy rich person jail, worst he'll become a dictator.

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

Iran has given him a clear plan what should be done to open the strait. Trump could literally open it tomorrow if he wasn't such an ass.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Looks like a job for Charlie Kirk

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Say what you will about carotid artery Charlie - but at the end, he leaned left

[–] billybob@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

We are all Charlie Kirk!

[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 40 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Forget about Trump. Europe must pursue a deal with Iran without the US.

[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That wouldn't solve anything - Europe doesn't actually get much oil through Hormuz, the issue is that the closure raises global oil prices regardless of where they come from. This isn't a situation individual countries can carve out exceptions for themselves from - hence why the worst affected by this will be poor countries that had fuck all to do with Trump's decision to fuck everyone over. And why America as a whole needs to start sorting its shit out for everyone's sake and stop just telling the rest of the world to ignore Trump if he's being a pain like he's a doddery old relative and not the commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world.

[–] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Should we though?

Don't get me wrong, America is absolutely fucked. They're speed running the collapse of western civilisation.

But lets not forget that Iran are also just as shitty. I'd rather we (europe) at least tried to take the moral high ground.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

The whole world ignoring Trump would be a moral high ground

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Don't have to help Iran, just have to not hurt them. Iran would take a "don't fuck with me, I don't fuck with you" deal letting oil through to Europe in exchange for them stopping all cooperation with the US on this dumb war

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We (Europeans) have absolutely no moral high ground to stand on, we colonized half the world, America acting this way is just because they learned it from watching us. I doubt they'll be able to manage the decline of American empire with anywhere near the stability of the managed decline of the British empire, though...

At the end of the day, all states are shitty.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

That would be one of the few ways to stop Iran from blowing up Europe's oil supply production in the gulf even if Trump escalates bombing.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As I understand it currently, the Straight of Hormuz is open for people not currently at war with Iran.

You can reach out to the IRGC, put in a request to traverse the Straight, validate that you are not currently an agent of a belligerent in their unlawful bombing and attempted occupation, and then receive a confirmation notice along with a bill for safe passage.

Iran Charges $1 Per Barrel Toll via Yuan, Stablecoins

Earlier, the Iranian parliament’s National Security Committee announced on the 30th of last month that it would legislate the strait passage fees. According to the details of the plan reported by Bloomberg, shipping operators wishing to navigate the strait must contact a brokerage company linked to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and submit details including the ship’s ownership structure, shipping documents, cargo manifest, destination, crew list, and automatic identification system (AIS) data.

The brokerage company forwards these documents to the Hormozgan Province Command of the Revolutionary Guard’s Navy, which then verifies whether the vessel has any connections to countries Iran considers hostile, such as Israel and the United States. Once this inspection is passed, toll negotiations begin. Iran has categorized countries into grades 1 through 5, with vessels from more friendly nations receiving more favorable terms.

The initial negotiation price is typically around 1 U.S. dollar per barrel, payable in Chinese yuan or stablecoins. Stablecoins are digital assets pegged 1:1 to the value of fiat currencies such as the U.S. dollar or Korean won. Given that a very large crude carrier typically carries 2 million barrels, the toll is expected to be set at a similar level to 2 million U.S. dollars (approximately 3 billion Korean won).

So it appears that Trump has gotten exactly what he set out to accomplish. Congratulations. Get that man on the deck of the Gerald R. Ford to celebrate.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Get that man on the deck of the Gerald R. Ford to celebrate.

That coward would never dare go within 100 miles of actual enemy drones or missiles.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

And don't call him Shirley!