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Macron says 'unrealistic' to open Hormuz Strait by force, urges Trump to 'be serious'
(www.france24.com)
this post was submitted on 02 Apr 2026
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Forget about Trump. Europe must pursue a deal with Iran without the US.
That wouldn't solve anything - Europe doesn't actually get much oil through Hormuz, the issue is that the closure raises global oil prices regardless of where they come from. This isn't a situation individual countries can carve out exceptions for themselves from - hence why the worst affected by this will be poor countries that had fuck all to do with Trump's decision to fuck everyone over. And why America as a whole needs to start sorting its shit out for everyone's sake and stop just telling the rest of the world to ignore Trump if he's being a pain like he's a doddery old relative and not the commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world.
Europe should get together with Russia and China to negotiate a peace deal. Russia could agree to store and process Iran's enriched uranium, something which it has already suggested. The uranium could be given to Iran as needed for peaceful purposes. In return, Europe would end all sanctions. The strait of Hormuz would be opened as soon as the US and Israel stop bombing Iran. If Iran agrees to such a deal, Trump might be willing to follow since there would be no more uranium to bomb and Europe, Russia, and China have left him isolated.
None of that fulfills Trump's obligations to the oil industry to destabilize the world order and keep a risk premium in oil.
Remember, he went begging to the US oil execs for campaign cash, promised they'd get what they wanted. Iran, the blocking of green energy projects, the opening of the rest of Gulf of Mexico to drilling, and Venezuela and more are all paying back that obligation.
That's the reason Europe, Russia, and China should get together and make a deal without the US. Trump doesn't just want to prevent Iran from building a nuclear bomb but wants to control Iran just as he's controlling Venezuela.
Where would that leave Ukraine?
This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn't accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.
You're talking about possible escalation in Ukraine and making further enemies, via USA exclusion. Not a great outcome.unless everyone goes along with it. Which they won't.
What further enemies? Trump is already angry at NATO. Escalation might be necessary. Can Ukraine win a war of attrition against Russia with its greater manpower?
Trump is angry ar NATO? Let’s see how angry when they unilaterally try to undermine him and exclude him. He’s already been threatening Greenland. Do you think their new friend Russia will help?
They are treading a fine line of moving away from the USA without making it an enemy or breaking treaties.
Europe has to become independent of Trump. Europe is like a wife who husband abuses her but is afraid to leave because she doesn't think she can survive on her own. Europe can survive without Trump. Europe cannot do anything to help Greenland if the US invades it. The reason is that Greenland is very close to the US unless Russia and China help, which is very possible. Russia and China do not want the US to control Greenland.
Yes, it's exactly like a domestic violence situation, but only because trump is an abusive husband and doesn't practice statecraft. Europe is waking up to the new reality. I don't think Americans are yet, as they are more insulat but it's coming.
US is still the biggest mercenary out there. Excluding it only guarantees it's move to the other side.
What other side is there? If Europe, Russia, and China reach a deal with Iran, Trump would feel isolated if he doesn't join. Also, what would be the purpose for him to continue fighting?
If Russia doesn't reach a deal.
What kind of deal? Russia is already an ally of Iran. However, if Europe is involved, Europe can lift its sanctions.
Russian deal with Europe.
Should we though?
Don't get me wrong, America is absolutely fucked. They're speed running the collapse of western civilisation.
But lets not forget that Iran are also just as shitty. I'd rather we (europe) at least tried to take the moral high ground.
The whole world ignoring Trump would be a moral high ground
Don't have to help Iran, just have to not hurt them. Iran would take a "don't fuck with me, I don't fuck with you" deal letting oil through to Europe in exchange for them stopping all cooperation with the US on this dumb war
We (Europeans) have absolutely no moral high ground to stand on, we colonized half the world, America acting this way is just because they learned it from watching us. I doubt they'll be able to manage the decline of American empire with anywhere near the stability of the managed decline of the British empire, though...
At the end of the day, all states are shitty.
That would be one of the few ways to stop Iran from blowing up Europe's oil supply production in the gulf even if Trump escalates bombing.