I give a shit about nurses and doctors and firefighters. We need them. I want them to be taken care of and compensated well.
All cops are bastards, though. The world would be better off without them and I work toward abolition.
this post was submitted on 30 Mar 2026
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The world would be better off without them
This is a fantastically naive thought. I hope you learn why, some day, but not in a way that causes you harm.
They signed up for the job knowing what it entails.
Doesn't mean it's fine.
Based on current events, for police it will heavily depend on circumstances.
But what's the beef with firemen?
I think they are saying that fireman don't get enough recognition but LEOs get over recognition.
I don't think he has any beef with firemen, but if your job is to deliberately expose yourself to an incredibly dangerous situation on the regular, death is kind of an expected outcome.
I agree, as far as that goes, but I still feel sorry for them.
Being a police officer, certainly in most countries, is not intended to involve "exposing yourself to an incredibly dangerous situation on the regular.".
Here in Australia the majority of cops, on the majority of days or weeks, will not encounter any kind of weapon or even need to restrain anyone. It's getting details from people, taking notes, attending call outs for welfare checks, domestic disturbances, documenting non-violent crimes, et cetera.
It's really, really naive to say "oh well being police is dangerous so of course they're going to die". No one would take a job expecting to die for it.
It's more dangerous to deliver pizza than to be a cop.
It is more nuanced than that. Did the agency hire qualified fire fighters? Was the department well funded? What role did the deceased have in the circumstances, were they sent on poor orders or bad information?
A lot of dangerous professions can be survived with strict adherence to safety and maintainance. Death on the job should be a consideration but not necessarily an acceptance in dangerous professions.
For an extreme example there is a massive difference in diving with professional gear compared to whatever those illegal mining boats do with impoverished locals and home made equipment.
Wrong, no, absolutely not.
Not giving a shit isn't inherently wrong. Can't be because nobody has enough inner resources to give a shit about everything. I don't give a shit about large swathes of the human population by dint of my give-a-shitter being defective from the beginning and having worn down significantly over the years.
Like, I don't want bad to happen to anyone lest it be being hoist by their own petard. You know, fuck around and find out. I have enough shadenfreude in me to appreciate someone fucking their own shit up by being an asshole.
But even "innocent" people getting wiped out by floods or whatever, I just don't have the fucking spoons.
So, even the best cop in the world, 1000% what a cop should be instead of what most of them are, it just ain't a big deal. Soldiers, or any other job where there's danger inherent to it as well. That actually goes for my fellow medical folks too tbh. There's some things where the assumption of risk is there, and when the risk eventually happens, it sucks, but I lack the energy to be upset when there's just so much fuckery in the world that people don't agree to.
Unless there's malice involved in why you don't give a shit, who cares? Hell, even if there is malice, as long as you don't try to make it happen, who cares?
Empathy is not an infinite well. How it gets spent is only partially voluntary. So if there's some segment of the world that just isn't on your concern list, it's fine
Let me know when you die, so I can not care about it when someone tells me.
The percentage of people in those jobs who die is small. In fact, there are quite a few deadlier jobs out there. (I want to guess that they're mostly related to resource extraction)
Do you also not give a shit when a driver dies because we know that driving is the deadliest method of transportation per kilometre?
Surely motorcycling, free climbing, BASE jumping, hang gliding, and skiing are deadlier?
People’s intuition on risk is wildly off here.
Skydiving sounds insane, but in the U.S. it’s ~9–10 deaths a year out of millions of jumps (roughly 1 in a few hundred thousand per jump).
Driving feels normal, but it kills ~40,000+ people every single year.
So yeah—both involve “transportation,” but the one everyone does casually every day is orders of magnitude deadlier than the one that sounds extreme.
driving is the deadliest method of transportation per kilometre?
Driving is not the deadliest method of transportation per kilometre which it seems you missed.
Motorcycling is deadlier, horse riding is even worse and jet skis are the worst that I’m aware of.
Base jumping would probably be the deadliest but I’m not familiar with the statistics on it.
Hmm. Motorcycling might be higher or counted together with driving a car. I forget the stats.
The others generally aren't used as methods of transportation, but instead are generally recreational activities.
Motorcycling is orders of magnitude more deadly on a person-mile basis. It varies a lot by motorcycle type, experience level, helmet. DUI also statistically has a heavier correlation with fatality in motorcycling (I'm not 100% but my understanding is that motorcycles are significantly harder to operate in such a way that dui effects are multiplied).
I'm not sure if this is actually relevant to your discussion, I just like to discuss the reality of motorcycling (as a person who rides).
On the flip side if you’re a trained rider, licensed, sober and not riding like you have a death wish the stats aren’t anywhere near as bad.
And those are all factors you as a motorcyclist have control over. I’m also a motorcyclist and I used to spend a lot of time crunching numbers on the stats.
I’ve recently been debunking claims that motorcycle fatalities have skyrocketed in Australia. They haven’t, we just have more riders and the stats are being misrepresented following sharp reductions during the covid lockdowns.
The reason I won't ever ride a motorcycle isn't because I'm worried about my ability to ride one safely.
It's because of all the other drivers on the road.
I dont care about cops, firefighters and the others, yes
You need a semicolon there, bud.
If I'm reading your message correctly, you should format that thought process better.
"I don't care about cops. Firefighters, and the others, yes, I care about them."
At least that's how I'm reading your statement, but it's not how it innitially reads.
You are not responsible for your feelings, only your actions.
Firefighters don't deserve to die, they don't harm anyone. But I agree the boot of the oppressor isn't sympathetic.
Yeah, firefighters are in the same class as lifeguards. They're protecting people from forces of nature, and don't have any ideology that is central to their work other than "save lives".
Are you a nurse, by chance?
Yep pretty much since I was 16
Cops dying is used as justification for cops to crack down harder. As long as the cop is not evil or corrupt, I don't think them dying helps anyone.
Enforcing an unjust system makes them inherently evil.
It's not any different than me not giving a shit if you get killed. We all signed up for this continued existence and we're all dying at the end. Best of luck on your run but I'm not going to lose any sleep when you check out.
Yeah, it is.
All people face risk in one way or another. Some willingly take on risk to help others or for some different reasons.
First off, being a cop isn'y nearly as high risk as (say) logging. Do you shrug and say "oh well, they knew what they were getting into" when a logger dies? Or a nurse?
Some will point out that ACAB, but even if that's true, being a bastard isn't a comprehensive deacription of a person. Humans, even shitty and broken ones, are complex creatures.
Personally, the only people whose deaths I don't mourn (or at least have empathy for) are those rare monsters who are so sadistic and evil that they barely qualify as human.
Empathy for others, without conditions, is one of our most defining and best traits as humans. It's worth cultivating.
You can skip feeling bad if the person deserves it.
Most people working as police, probably every fire fighter, nurse or doctor don't deserve to die, so while you don't have to go out of your way to attend their funeral or anything; the normal reaction is feeling bad for them.
I understand cops have a lot of bad PR right now (mostly in america), but It still kinda sucks they are all getting blanketed in the "deserved it" category (in this thread), because most of them truly are putting up their life to protect yours, so they deserve some gratitude.
Also I always think about that fun fact where "police police police" (etc) is valid english.
Anyways, yes, I feel bad when someone dies protecting us, even if they did "sign up for it." I don't think they should be discounted.
To some degree I understand. They risk their lives but where im at they get outsized compensation. The sad thing is its because their wages and comp are pretty equivalent to what it was 50 years ago while everyone elses have fallen without unions that have powerful leverage. Then they are known for being pretty right leaning in general. Add to all that the massive shows that get put on with funeral processions and televised masses that go on for hours. That being said they did die. Firefighters I feel a bit worse for as they by and large do not hurt people in their role and do save them. Cops are harder as people they shoot never were given a shot to lead lives with the largess they have and no public displays are put on for their funerals. I don't really want anyone dieing unecessarily but I also want a society that is far more equitable.
Only good cop...
... Do good things.