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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11139477

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NASA is canceling plans to deploy a space station in lunar orbit and ​will instead use its components to construct a $20 billion ‌base on the moon’s surface over the next seven years, its new chief Jared Isaacman said on Tuesday.

Isaacman, who was sworn in at the agency ​in December, made the announcement at the opening of a ​day-long event at NASA’s Washington headquarters at which he ⁠outlined a raft of changes he is making to the agency’s ​flagship moon program Artemis.

“It should not really surprise anyone that we ​are pausing Gateway in its current form and focusing on infrastructure that supports sustained operations on the lunar surface,” Isaacman told delegates at the event.

The ​Lunar Gateway station, largely already built with contractors Northrop Grumman and ​Vantor, formerly Maxar, was meant to be a space station parked in a ‌lunar ⁠orbit. Repurposing the craft for a lunar surface base is not simple.

“Despite some of the very real hardware and schedule challenges, we can repurpose equipment and international partner commitments to support surface and ​other program objectives,” ​Isaacman said.

Lunar ⁠Gateway was designed to serve as both a research platform and a transfer station that astronauts would ​use to board the moon landers before descending ​to the ⁠lunar surface.

The changes imposed by Isaacman on the flagship U.S. moon program in recent weeks are reshaping billions of dollars worth of contracts ⁠under ​the Artemis effort.

That is sending companies ​scrambling to accommodate the extra urgency as China makes progress toward its own 2030 moon ​landing.

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[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hahaha there is no way they're going to get that done

[–] limer@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s definitely a grift. A few years ago it would have been exciting to hear the news of the plans, but now I find it irritating, knowing it’s just financial crimes

[–] Orcocracy@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If by “a few years ago” you mean 1975. NASA has been making promises that it can’t keep for about half a century now.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because the funding keeps getting yanked.

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

And because the MIC refuses to let that impact their bottom line

[–] FidelChadstro@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

$20 billion aka 10 days of war with Iran

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh yeah of course I'm sure you're building a fucking moon base. Then you're gonna cure cancer, locate Bigfoot, and make a faster-than-light space ship, and you're gonna make everyone immortal, and figure out how to produce infinite food for free. Fuck it, when you're just saying shit, it turns out you can do anything.

[–] cornishon@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago

The next NASA director to come will "cancel" the project and announce a new, even grander one. Rinse and repeat.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 1 points 1 week ago

Let me guess, it's for some sort of railgun or whatever they need to bomb another country. Space orcs

[–] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let's see,

construct a $20 billion ‌base on the moon’s surface over the next seven years,

Vs

No, you won't.

Taking wagers.

[–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There will be a moon base within the next decade. But it's not going to be American.

Maybe if the US starts being really nice to China, they'll let us visit.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Maybe if the US starts being really nice to China, they'll let us visit.

China probably would let them visit, but it would be very funny if they do to the US what the US did to them and exclude them from international space development. Everyone else can visit, just no yankees.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is a hail Mary to try and claim the moon is US property isn't it?

USA already officially announced their intention to violate the 1967 Outer Space Treaty some years back, but nobody gave a shit since it was iirc either during or shortly after the period when USA did not even had ability to launch crewed orbital flights and had to borrow Soyuz ships for everything.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Cool.

They're doing it because of China but I'm not going to complain. Maybe they realise China is definitely going to succeed in their plans and they need to put their own plan on the table or else they might get shut out of ever being able to do it if China says the land is theirs in the future.

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I came here to say the exact same thing. This is 100% because China is on its way to the Moon.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

I love how all these sorts of articles orbit around the idea of China's moon missions without ever addressing them directly, because if they did, they'd need to admit that China is ahead of the US and the US is setting very unrealistic timeframes to complete their goals.

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 week ago

yeah but China is for real

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

What is it with Nazi states and moonbases? There's also an Israeli Unit-8200 linked startup that wants to use railguns to fire supplies up onto the moon to colonise it.

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 week ago

$20B contract to Space-X, they ask for 3x more because that's how projects are, nothing gets built, we forget about it

[–] hyperpoopsucks@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just keep thinking about the movie with that Nazi moonbase that I never watched

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Iron Sky?

i enjoyed it but that was pre-2016

[–] hyperpoopsucks@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Fossifoo@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Wow, throwback. Watch it, it's hilarious. Fins have great humor.

[–] FidelChadstro@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You want a failed moon base for $20 billion? El*n will do it for 10

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

Hyperloop on the moon, comin' right up! libertarian-approaching

Fuck that. I'll fuck it up for 3

[–] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

they could, you know, do real science by funding the $11 billion mission they just cancelled to collect the mars soil samples we've been bagging for years, but no we need a base that will dramatically increase NASA's operating costs with little gain compared to robots

[–] wideopenarms@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I forget what the estimate on paying for universal Healthcare was, but I think I saw 200 billion from Biden's speeches.

This is so much more resource intensive, magnitudes more demanding of logistics, and has infinitely greater points of failure that would lead to disaster and we're doing that for 20 billion?

Incredible, emphasis on the in- prefix.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Without all the intermediates and insurance overheat those 200B at year would be more like 20B

[–] wideopenarms@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

Such graft should also be expected in an endeavor as expansive as this - the MIC and 5 different private space flight companies that dominate the industry in America right now, for example. If they're accounting for that in their healthcare cost estimations, then they should do the same here.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

Not disagreeing about cost, but healthcare for 350M people is a larger effort than a moon base imo. Lotta logistics and manual labor.

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

NASA's Office of Personnel Management (OPM) has publicly released that the proposed lunar base will be staffed by two primary divisions: Moon Unit Alpha, and Moon Unit Zappa

OH COME ON

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

She should sue

[–] miz@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago
[–] penitentkulak@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago
[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A technical point: the whole idea of the lunar gateway is to have infrastructure in lunar orbit so that it's ~100x easier and cheaper to send stuff down to the moon's surface. Therefore allowing the construction, feasibly, of, I don't know, a lunar base, for example.

Why are they bothering to lie about this when they could just shitcan the whole thing?

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Gotta line the pockets of the shareholders of SpaceX and whatever Bezo's space company is called.

[–] Meltyheartlove@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did they find oil or do they just want to build a military base there?

[–] bunnossin@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

China is doing it, so amerikkka has to 1-up them.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

Wou I d be better for a space station over the moon. There you can transfer people. Do remote experiments. And blue fucking origin who can't even get to orbit? Who writes these things?

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

Helfcar plz