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You can visit a city like Helsinki: and yet, there's barely any homeless people around (of course, homeless people still exist) while comparing that to Los Angeles, it's a fucking joke. It's because they prioritize housing for everyone indifferent to their circumstances (even those addicted to drugs or with mental health issues are also sheltered) as they recognize that housing is a human right.

The housing is managed by the state, while Finns pay A TON in taxes at least it's heading to cover expenses for getting people off the streets. It's because the Finnish government is on board with putting them into housing while American government demonizes their existence as a whole not even considering them as human beings at all, like WTF is wrong with their mindset?

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[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's much harder to get large swaths of the public addicted to opioids due to pesky red tape from Brussels. And there are far fewer veterans you can abandon to their battle PTSD in tent camps.

I read about a Finnish initiative to just get everyone they could find on the streets of Helsinki without an abode into apartments, give them money, and help them sort out their lives and get them into jobs wherever possible. That's socialism bordering on communism to American ears. That's quite lefty even by European standards, sadly.

In America's defense it's easier to do in a country of 5 million people than in one of 340 million. That's not a reason not to try though.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

In America’s defense it’s easier to do in a country of 5 million people than in one of 340 million.

Bullshit. There's no reason why whatever Finland is doing can't be scaled up. In fact, a large, unified country ought to be able to achieve the same results as a small country for cheaper due to economies of scale.

The only reason America can't do what Finland does is because America is a sociopathic society that doesn't understand the concept of common good.

[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I see your bullshit and raise you horse manure. Speaking from an administrative point out view, it is indeed harder to run a program like that spread out over a much larger area with a much larger population to deal with. A complication in the US is also in differing state laws. This probably wouldn't work EU-wide either.

Also Finland didn't start from a large pool of homeless people due to mental illness or medical bankruptcies because there were other social safety nets spun before this one to catch a lot of the people before they became homeless.

Blame the US for not trying. I do too. But "economies of scale" are not going to help a program that for it to run well cannot be run like a business.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 0 points 1 day ago

The us is trying. We had shelters for many years and the abuse in them was far worse than anything on the streets. Sure a few freeze to death on the streets which isn't good, but don't forget how much worse it was / can be.

don't let that be an excuse for not doing better either but don't lose sight of the possibility for worse.

[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

America seems to prioritise profits for the wealthy and oppression for the lower classes while Finland does not… at least not to that extent. Finland calls it some sort of, regulated capitalism, welfare or socialism, while Americans would probably call that straight up communism or whatever.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The gdp per capita of the USA (US$84,534.0) is a lot higher than Finland (US$53,149.8) source: world bank. Finland chooses to prioritize the good of society. USA prioritizes the good of the individual (billionaire).

In the USA there’s that traditional puritanical work ethic means that illness, mental health, addiction, and unemployment are signs of laziness so the homeless shouldn’t be helped.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ah but you see the average wealth of people is $620,654 for the us and $179,986 for finland but that is not the whole story. You see the median is $124,041 for the us and $84,093 for finland. You see the problem don't you. The folks with money in the us didn't get it by housing the homeless or not having sex with children.

“Why are Finnish people happier than Americans? Must be sauna.”

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 23 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Have you been to Finland?

6 months of the year, homeless people would freeze to death in short order if they were left outside.

Finland has homeless people, just not on the street.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

6 months of the year, homeless people would freeze to death

True, but that does surprisingly little to prevent homelessness.

[–] protist@retrofed.com 9 points 1 day ago

True, but that does surprisingly little to prevent homelessness.

Yes, but it does a LOT to keep people experiencing homelessness of the streets and in shelter. In US cities that have harsh winters, they also have many fewer homeless folks visible on the streets than you'd find in California or Texas, where people can pretty much live outside in perpetuity

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Finland winter ranges from 23F to -4F

Similar to Northern US states.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

My immediate thought too. We have homeless people here in Norway too. Homeless does not mean without housing or shelter.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you're saying homeless people have, um, homes?

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Being in a shelter hardly qualifies as having a home. Unless you like shelters maybe...

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you have a room in a shelter every day, you're not homeless. It's not nice, but it's not homeless.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 23 hours ago

If you don't have a lease in your name, you're homeless.

"not nice" is doing some competition level heavy lifting. Getting barely enough food, just that little bit of hygiene, all your things in one bag, surrounded by helpless or crazy people and desperation so great you are constantly paranoid you might get abused or robbed. All of the safety and security you want a home for is hardly available in a homeless shelter.

It's like saying being in prison is also living. Sure, on a technicality. But in real life no one would agree - prison makes people age faster for all the wrong reasons.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Same is true for much of Canada yet we can't seem to shelter them either. It isn't just the weather, the finnish government is far more compassionate towards homeless people than any other government I know of.

[–] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What the fuck is this and where are the mods?

Agreed the US system is a joke but so is trying to pitch this post as a question. But it's possible the title just needs to be changed to something like "WTF is wrong with the US mindset for there to be so many homeless?". As it stands though why isn't this post deleted?

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

WTF is wrong with their mindset?

Unchecked capitalism and individualism. 

Basically: "why should I help the others with my taxes if I'm doing ok?" and "profits over anything else".

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Just like Jesus would tell them to do it 😌

[–] new_world_odor@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What's really your question here? This is all over the place. I feel like you're upset about this, which is totally valid and I feel you, but it's making it hard to understand exactly where you're coming from.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can't talk about homelessness in America without talking about Ronald Reagan.

When Reagan was elected Governor of California, the state had a large number of mental hospitals in place. They weren't perfect, but treatment was available. reagan thought these places were a waste of tax payer money and had them closed. California now had a lot of homeless folks. They annoyed the locals, so the state had to hire more cops and build more jails.

This worked so well that Reagan did exactly the same when he became President.

My family lived in New York during that era. We went from a few homeless folks down on the Bowery to literally thousands. Every park was full.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Woah - there was good reason to get rid of those 'mental hospitals'. There were terriballp abusive. On the streets was more human for most.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 23 hours ago

It would have cost less to upgrade the hospitals than leave people on the streets.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The United States doesn't even consider food a human right, so why would they give a single flying fuck about housing?

Pedophilia is apparently, however, a right that is guaranteed by the US Constitution.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

not mention healthcare. pretty sure clean water is for those you can bid the highest. in bribes of course.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Finland has actually tried to do something about it, contrary to USA where homelessness is borderline illegal, and the main policy against it is harassment to make them go somewhere else. Finland is a civilized society, USA is a sociopathic society.

That said, homelessness is a challenge, but Finland has a program they call "housing first" to help prevent it, that has turned out to work better than what most countries do.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

My guess is 'empathy' and 'honour'.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Because it's actually cheaper to just house homeless people than it is to take care of them on the street

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Famously cold winters + not having a home to shelter in = not many homeless :(

[–] 555@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's cold and homeless people spend nights in public indoor places like airport lobbies and train stations.

[–] black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Also if you try to spend the night in a station in America a guy with a gun will kindly see you back into the cold

[–] Thavron@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

while Finns pay A TON in taxes

Looks up Finnish tax brackets... Compares Dutch (my) tax brackets... O-kay.

Finland 2025 State Tax Brackets (Earned Income)

€0 – €21,200: 12.64%
€21,200 – €31,500: 19.00%
€31,500 – €52,100: 30.25%
€52,100 – €88,200: 34.00%
Over €88,200: 44.00%

Dutch tax brackets.

Bracket 1: 35,75% (0 - €38.883).
Bracket 2: 37,56% (€38.884 - €78.426).
Bracket 3: 49,50% (above €78.426).