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Like, we all know they're listening , but can we provide proof?

My friend was complaining about all the new super surveillance that will be government required in cars after 2027, and I said to him dude you have a stock android, you use every AI slop feature, you use a smart TV on your unsecured network, and uses x every day. They have everything they could possibly need on him. Oh and he posts questionable things to fb daily under his real name.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I saw proof one day. I was visiting a welding shop on business, never been there before, didn't know them. At some point, I'm sitting in the office with about five guys, distracting them from their work, yakking, and I mention a big piece of gear I have to haul around using a cart. One suggests a different kind of cart, and describes it. As we're talking, one of the other guys gasps, and holds his phone up to show the boss.

While we were talking, this guy opened his phone, and the first ad that popped up was for that odd, obscure equipment cart that we had just been talking about.

It turned out that these guys had been discussing this subject earlier, and now it was confirmed for all of us.

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The fun part is that they dnt even need to listen for this. They track everything you search, link it to your phones ip, number, and location. But it doesnt stop there. They know people will talk to the people they are around.

So if person A searches something 2 days ago and then goes to hang out with person B who has similar interests, they will serve ads about those products to person B because they figure it will be relevant at some point. Basically, the prediction software is so good that it comes off as listening to every word you said.

They are def also listening, but this is more often what is happening. Use a vpn and privacy focused browser and you will notice the relevance of ads drop significantly

[–] Neverbeaten@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What ads? My browser blocks ads. My vpn blocks ads. I pay for email so don’t see ads there. I pay for search so I don’t see ads there, either. I self host media. My TV doesn’t connect to the internet.

I seriously never see ads.

[–] knee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

👍 Well done there. Using Brave, DDG, Ecosia and Firefox. Got Mulvad, got Tuta. Pay for search? Who with? Moving towards self hosting. Just ditched internet on my TV.

[–] Neverbeaten@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I pay for Kagi search.

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yes. This suggestion is for folks that are tired of constant ads. Not folks that are already doing what i just suggested lol

[–] knee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Last paragraph: This!

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The one that did it for me - I was in the car with my wife and a friend. We were driving down the highway and talking about the clouds we saw. And I said "I wander what kind of clouds those are. Like cumulus? Alto?"

The I take out my phone and type "types of" and the first auto-fill option that came up was "types of cloud" and I was like "there's no fucking way that just happens to be the highest suggested search prompt"

[–] jpeps@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

More likely you weren't the only one making searches like that in that area.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

It won't be long before we'll be getting into sexy time with the spouse, and the phone on the nightstand dings with a notification. You pause to check it, and it's an ad for a new sex lube!

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Regarding TVs, WikiLeaks' Vault 7 publication in 2017 included "Weeping Angel", CIA malware for Samsung TVs which streams audio from them while they're in "fake off" mode.

https://mashable.com/article/cia-samsung-tv-hack-weeping-angel

[–] ragas@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck that tabloid, the Daily Mail... but there was the guy who was attempting to mod his robovac so he could control it with a PlayStation controller. The AI he was using to help ended up giving him keys that let him remotely access thousands of robovacs, including their cameras and mics.

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

and this is why I made sure to get a model without a camera D:

[–] ragas@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

That is what I did too for the first one. My current vacuum uses valetudo as alternative firmware.

[–] Lars_Tanner@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Mark Zuckerberg puts a sticker over his laptop camera and microphone.

[–] FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

He also gave his famous opinion about Facebook users. Deep down, he agrees with privacy advocates. The diff is that he's a shitty enough person to take advantage of the less techy people out there even if his society will be damaged badly in the process. Most of us are not that shitty.

they trust me

dumb fucks

I think we can move beyond Facebook here. Trusting big tech with your data never works out well.

[–] sakuraba@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

the biggest hypocrites are tech CEO's limiting their children's screen time and forbidding social media

[–] harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are drug lords who are not actively overdosing on their adulterated products also hypocrites?

[–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

I mean kind of yeah

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

That's called being a Sociopathic Oligarch

[–] kutt@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

This isn’t a proof of mass surveillance. He’s one of the most famous people on earth and he’s probably the target of many hackers.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

You can get sound from any speaker by hacking the electrical signals generated in reverse.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Here's court cases lost by Google and Apple

Also, whenever monolithic megacorporations not recording you directly, virtually everyone is still buying any data about you they can get from actual malware distributing criminals.

Microphone hijacking is real and commonplace. (Edit: Fixed link thanks to some dumb feedback.)

The malware vendors sell what they learn about us on black markets. And in net effect, everyone is buying from them.

They "Privacy Wash" the things they learn from the illegal recordings, by passing them from one disreputable broker to another. Each broker can keep poor quality records of exactly where they got their data. Pretty soon it's just "part of your digital fingerprint" and "can't be helped".

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[–] glitching@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 days ago (7 children)

don't need any such "proof". the whole industry has lost any and all benefit-of-doubt privileges, for ever. they don't get an opportunity to gain a foothold in mi casa and possibly be in a position to do harm.

I don't get the idea that after all the shit they pulled someone's like "well maybe this new thing's nice".

those are immoral people with zero compunctions about doing anything that hurts you, your community, and humanity as a whole. we are in an adversarial position and you'd do well to remind yourself of that constantly.

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[–] roserose56@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So this proves it. Then his second video was made because the MIB came to his door. Got it.

They're absolutely listening.

[–] mech@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The manufacturers tell you.

And they even make you click the "I have read and understood this" button under the document that explicitly states that they're spying on you and selling all your data.

[–] ResistingArrest@lemmy.zip 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)
[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

My Samsung TV is not on the WiFi and I have AdGuard running network-wide because of shit like this.

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[–] mulcahey@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

AFAIK this is the only evidence: a claim by a marketing company that they're actually doing it. However, they have some reason to lie about this, bc it makes them sound all-knowing and powerful to their clients.

https://www.404media.co/cmg-cox-media-actually-listening-to-phones-smartspeakers-for-ads-marketing/

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[–] meathorse@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Think of something you've never mentioned or discussed before, then out of nowhere, start having a conversation with a friend about it, how much you like it and are thinking about getting it, taking lessons etc then see what happens over the next week on either your or your friend's ads (turn off ad blocker if you use one).

I recommend something completely unusual for most people like an instrument (didgeridoo or cowbell)

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The very notion of proof implies that you can reproduce it. So I would suggest you forget what anybody here or elsewhere said. Instead, you :

  • get a cheap phone (so typically Android)
  • reset/format/flash it to a blank state
  • make a new testing account on it
  • use for random browsing, using app, etc and you log your history, namely what did you actually do AND what ads you actually see
  • test for something outside of your new habits with a search query, then log and compare again, seeing the threshold to change
  • repeat the last step for something said using e.g. a voice assistant, log&compare
  • repeat WITHOUT explicit search, log&compare

Yes this takes a of time but that will help you make YOUR own opinion on the matter if you genuinely care.

How has no one done exactly this???

Or try this. Start saying something nefarious involving government near your phone every day and see how long it takes you to fall out a 12th story window.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

It's still never been proven despite countless very smart people looking for this exact behaviour for well over a decade now. The first person to actually prove this whole mass spying via microphone to sell ads thing is actually happening, would be world-famous overnight.

For instance on an android phone, it's not really possible for an app to do something that a determined enough security researcher couldn't ultimately detect if they were looking for it. When you can build your own version of the operating system and decompile the application easily, there's not really any other places to hide that won't give something away.

If you feel like your phone is acting off of a conversation you had without interacting with it, it's nearly always one of these three:

  • The vast majority of people are super predictable most of the time.
  • You are not accounting for other people in the conversation, who may well have just googled the thing. These companies know who you spend time with, they don't need a microphone for that.
  • Baader meinhof phenomenon

Don't get me wrong, I've thought surely something fishy was going on plenty of times, but the reality is, until someone can actually prove it (which is entirely possible to do if it's happening), it's gotta just be the above. We're being tracked a crazy amount, but it's not passively by microphones in our pockets

Note: none of this applies if you're actually being specifically individually targeted. All bets are off in that instance

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The thing I find so funny about all of this is that people would rather believe that their phone is spying on them with the Mic that there is no proof of. Then what is more likely the truth you are not as unique as you think you are and they have so much data on you they have no reason to spy on what you say because they know you better then you know yourself.
But yes it is easier for people to believe the mic is spying on them because thy can't or won't accept the more likely option.

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[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (11 children)

You could take extreme measures like Louis Rossmann has said he does to his phones.

He said he disassembles his phones and desolders and removes all the microphones. He said if he wants to make or receive a call, he'll use his Bluetooth headset or earpiece.

I don't see why the same can't also be feasible for televisions either, aside from how difficult they can be to properly disassemble and service.

[–] Broken@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Snowden says he does the same thing.

Technically you can do the same for your TV since the mic is probably in the remote. But that's not the TVs worst threat. The constant snapshots of your screen no matter what is displayed is the bigger deal. That is a software issue and not being disconnected without an entire custom firmware/OS approach.

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