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“I don’t really want to vote anymore,” Byers added. “I’m really starting to just think it just won’t matter… I don’t want to feel responsible for taking a vote and feeling misled, or misjudged, or making a wrong move.”
Democrats suck but that's disappointing to read. You have to dig the country out from under the Nazis by whatever means you have available.
Can we just get Democrats that don't suck?
That Bernie Sanders fellow seemed pretty good, why did they vote against him?
Good. Don’t vote. If you were so stupid/racist/sexist/oblivious to history as to vote for Trump in 2024 you should not be voting at all.
Trump and the Republicans (who only exist as his personal ball-washers to sanewash and rubberstamp everything he does; they are indistinguishable at this point) documented all the policies they were going to pursue in the Project 2025 policy document, which was readily available to read before the election. You were warned about this loudly and repeatedly.
Trump’s behavior is also a known quantity. I suspect you did not magically appear on Earth to vote for him in 2024 having never experienced the reality of his first term, so you also should have had the benefit of knowing what he is like.
You therefore knew (or should have known) what he was like and what he wanted to do. If you knew, congratulations on getting exactly what you voted for. If not, you’re a low-information voter. You shouldn’t be voting at all because you are, at best, blindly picking a choice that everyone else has to live with too. So stay home. Don’t vote. Then at least nobody else has to suffer with the consequences of your ignorance.
Exactly. If you voted for Trump, expecting that he was going to be anything different than he was his first term (other than worse), then fuck you.
Not even just among young folks and not even just about voting, millennials and Gen Z I know are pretty much completely out of hope and giving up that the future can change. Willing to just quietly ride out the horrors out into oblivion
All we need is for a handful of people to decide they'd rather shoot up a board meeting than a school. I don't think that's out of reach
Legit kinda surprised this hasnt happened more often, especially after Mr. Mangione ALLEGIDLY did the thing he's accused of, I know there have been a few that were quickly covered up but not on the scale of the school shootings we've seen
I've been saying for over a decade that I can't believe more healthcare companies haven't been targeted in that fashion. A ton of people get murdered every year and a ton of people face potential death due to healthcare being prohibitively expensive. How is there not more people both willing to murder someone and angry at healthcare companies in one form or another? It seems like an inevitable outcome of the system we've built.
Jesus now that I'm thinking about it, Denzel Washington was in a movie about doing similar shit in like 2004, how has this not been the thing that took root in the minds of Americas young men.
I was actually thinking about that movie as I typed my last response haha. John Q, I believe. I remember it as a decent movie at least.
I remember being a pretentious film minor and turning my nose up at it as heavy handed. Watched it again in like ‘11 I think. Actually a really good play on the heist movie with a real world point. And Denzel cooks like he always do
I watched some documentaries about Earth Liberation Front, and feel like something similar is coming. But instead of saving environment, it would be about saving privacy and democracy. And it will end the same. Immediate recognition as domestic terrorists by the government and huge investigation to destroy the movement. Saving humanity is crime that has to be immediately stopped. And anything that supports corporations is sacred, even pedophilia.
Im kind of one of them. Makes my posts sound hippocritical... I just think a real change is a monumental task that won't come from utilizing the system that exists. Like the problems go deep to the point it's like the hard drive needs to be reformatted and a better OS installed.
I want to see community overpower marketing and pop marketed entertainment so that maybe people will get back to honest expression through arts and communion. It's like we distilled the soul from everything and sold the sludge that was left to addicts. And that's gone on so long I think many people have gone their whole existence without really touching what it really means to exist as a human being. It's like people just chase the high because it's not even possible to get the natural anymore ...humanity has been removed from the equation.
And it goes deeper than that when you start to consider the reasoning for that being the case... And you start understanding how "the game" works and that the possibility of it being completely on purpose and by the control of the most wealthy psychopaths that own the world. It's like they want people to be distracted away from authentic humanity. Its like we aren't the farmers anymore, we are the cattle and the product and we get traded and sold by the people that own the nation, which are beyond politicians, the owners are the wealthy. Our "freedom" feels like the freedom chickens get with a mobile pen, the scenery can change but it's still a cage.
It's already game over... Tbh. We didn't get here simply because of trump and Republicans. They just made it obvious by speeding up the gameplay.
young conservative voters dont vote that much as well as young dem voters, its all older voters than GEN-Z which still is the large bulk. there were articles about cons dint vote this time as well amongs the groups
He doesnt want power to carry out the will of the people. He wants power to force the people to carry out his will.
The guy who’s constantly lying lied through his campaign? What a shocker.
Trump could say the sky is green and they wouldn’t see the lie.
I'm a racist and sexist pile of trash but i didnt vote for war 😭😭😭😭
Eat the shit you ordered.
they never assumed he actually make them eat the shit, they assumed he was joking. and now they have to eat poop they dont like it. They always ASSUME.
Off to the front
NO HE DID NOT, he said you voted on what he was GOING TO DO. You just dint bother to verify/research his claims.
I notice none of these voters intend to change how they identify candidates or parties, just that they are less motivated to vote again, maybe. Meaning that the underlying reasons they voted that way to begin with (racism) haven't changed, so they'll probably do it again.
Voters don't follow reason, not even ideology or morals. It's a matter of identity, like sports. Even if a team plays awfully, fans can bitch about the coach, management, or the players but they don't quit for a better team, they just think they'll have a better opportunity next season.
Need to start this with most.
I thought about starting with 'most', but I don't think it's necessary when it's a clear generalization, as the one I did. Also, 'most voters' sounds more concrete and solid and my comment is just an observation based on my own experience. And, maybe, it's all of us, to some extent. Like, how many different parties have you voted for? Because I've voted for a bunch of them (not American) but they were really all the same—local branches or rebrandings or whatever. But the only people I've seen jumping the isle literally changed their whole identity as well.
The two party system is a different thing though. Voting with reason means taking into account the system and the way it works. Personally I have always been left of center which means I have mostly voted democrat but not as much a team thing as voting in the direction I want us to go. The opposite trend is there as way back when an individual republican canidate might have been acceptable but that party has gotten worse and worse to the level that I feel they need to go away. Now im not saying all conservative parties have to go away but republicans are not a conservative party anymore and have not been for a long time. So I went from seeing them as a legitamate option on a case by case, individual by individual basis. To them being not an option with the presidency to not being an option at the federal level to not being an option at the state level to not being an option at the local level to feeling they need to go away. Its not a team thingfor me at all. I disagree to though that somehow a most is implied. I don't know where you get that from.
it really means the propaganda really stuck in thier heads, they are just hoping "someone on thier side will be better"
Let's all point and laugh at their humiliation.
How to deal with it:
They will continuously be brainwashed into thinking its your fault. They will not see your words.
They control social media.
This is temporary, they'll fall back in line as new orders and talking points are given out.
In my life in america most people are detached from politics and just mindlessly live like fent addicts that are slaves. Like... No one gives a fuck and that's why America has gotten so lame. Trump really sped things up but I don't think he's to blame for America's lack of human spirit. He's a result of it.
Fucking idiots
If you took Trump at his word, that's on you. Also, DM me, I have a great real estate opportunity you need to hear about.
I don't get why any young folk would vote for trump. Then again I don't get why any old folk would vote for trump. Hes trumped up this country the way he trumped up the republican party and now everything is just trumpy. From what I can tell his supporters are like. Sure were trumped but the only solution is more trumping. We just need to bend over and get trumped hard so that we can untrump ourselves.
Peer pressure, stupidity, and bad parents.
These kids don't come from households with parents that say the disparity in wealth should shrink instead of grow.
This is exactly the sort of situation that people, like myself, assumed would come to pass and planned for.
BACKGROUND
I grew up in a family that straddled the line of poverty my entire childhood. Like many kids in a similar socioeconomic background, we moved around A LOT. My parents did their best to insulate me from the realities of this situation, and as a kid, I bought that hook line and sinker. We'd go stay at Aunt Jenny's for a month or two because "our new house isn't ready for us to move in yet". We moved in with my grandparents for almost a year because "it takes a long time to buy a house" (which by the way we lost less than a couple years later).
If I'm being honest, it wasn't until I was well into my 20s before it dawned on me how housing insecure things were when I was growing up. I was completely under my parents' spell, took what they said as the full truth, and really didn't have a lot of reason to question or challenge that. Literally just lived most of my life thinking / assuming that most people move around all the time, and that it can takes months between moves before you can move into your new place.
MESSAGE
The thing to keep in mind is that, hate it as you might, this is a situation where those of us in the USA who genuinely want positive, progressive change and are actually being realistic about how to get there are going to have to be gracious and understanding.
On an individual level, you might know one of these young Trump voters, and absolutely, they may just be a terrible shit. The end. But the reality is, many of these young people aren't and in fact they are like most young people of a certain age and socioeconomic background -- indoctrinated to this bullshit from a young age and still under the spell of their parents and guardians. They can wake up, they can come to the realization that they've been indoctrinated, and they can grow from that.
But all this hostility, negativity, threats of punishment, etc -- that does nothing good, and in fact, at times it can have the exact opposite response of what we, presumably, all hope for.