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Cory Doctorow, on coining the term:

Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the nature of a "two-sided market", where a platform sits between buyers and sellers, hold each hostage to the other, raking off an ever-larger share of the value that passes between them.

The term was about online platforms degrading. This term described things like going to a subscription model, creating tiered subscription models, injecting more ads, and other practices to min-max short term profit on an online platform once enough customers were locked into it.

Since then a few examples I have seen referred to as "enshittification":

A movie sequel not being as good as the first movie.

A game sequel not being as good as the first game.

An unintentional quality defect on a one-time purchase of a consumable product.

A UI change to software (that didn't lock out previous features or change functionality) that the person personally didn't like.

The price of a new (luxury) product being higher than the complaining person would like.

A restaurant changing their menu.

A specific product being discontinued.

A TV show's writing getting worse.


The term has been so diluted it just means "a thing I don't like happened with any product or service."

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 19 points 3 days ago

I think the real issue here is everything is degrading and getting worse. So the term is thrown around a lot.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Hoo-boy, wait until you hear what they did to the word meme!

[–] radix@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

It literally kills me!

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Originally coined to mean basically anything that is spread amongst humans non-genetically now is limited to "a funny picture with text on it."

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think the concept can legitimately extend beyond just online platforms. Not saying it isn't misused, but I think some of your examples can sometimes be the same basic problem:

Like a movie IP being acquired by a studio which forces the writers and directors to make changes in the sequel, to reach a bigger market or push merchandising or something.

Or a game production company forcing game developers to add micro-transactions.

Or new management from private equity forcing a reputable manufacturing company to use lower quality materials and defund QC.

I would broadly describe any situation where an intermediary business between creator and consumer makes things worse for both is enshittification. Online platforms are far from the only culprit.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It lost all meaning the moment it was coined and I've been saying it's a bad word from the start. The intent was understandable, and the attempt to wrap a complex topic into a single term is admirable, but for the vast majority of people, all they see is a word that means "thing got worse". And it only blew up because it comes off as a "sophisticated" way to say "shitty".

[–] lmmarsano@group.lt 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I thought it was redundant since it's not a novel idea, & there were existing, broader expressions that weren't going to descend into another way to say "shitty".

  • deliberate service degradation
  • cheapening quality
  • cheaping out
  • cutting corners
  • skimping
  • cost cutting
  • cannibalization

Enshittification added nothing new except make it hyperspecific to online platforms as if that's useful. (It isn't.) How fucking insightful: that insight came preenshittified & popular media lapped it up.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They enshitified enshitification!!
Can't have shit enshited anymore.

(But yes, I agree, it's an important concept/planned practice that ppl need to be aware of.)

[–] Mantzy81@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago

I mean, its a term describing the consequence of capitalism but without the knowledge to understand it. The phrase isn't necessary if you understand the system.

And generally that is seen as "a thing I don't like has been implemented to increase revenue into a thing that used to work fine before at a lower cost."

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I applaud you for not asking people to stop enshittifying the definition of "enshittification". I wouldn't have had the restraint.

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 1 points 3 days ago

There is another process at work here: semantic territorialization. A neologism was created by someone with a certain kind of knowledge. Doctorow has the kind of mental map of the world that comes from being a tech-focused author for decades. He created the term as a shorthand for a concept that is important within the domain he wants to discuss, giving a set of landmarks on his mental map that he hopes will transmit enough c0shared context to convey the shape of the territory. Then people who do not have anything like his level of experience with that area try to interpolate the space he has delineated on his map as 'enshittification' and think 'Uh... platforms... that's like what colleges do with Nazis, or something... and uh... customers... that's us, like me when I buy things at the store... and uh... fuck it, this is too hard. I'm taking the literal approach. En-shit-ifi-ca-tion... shitty-fy-ing... make shitty. Enshittification means make shitty. Too complicated. Enshittification means was good, now bad.' They strip out all the elements they can't understand and are left with a shiny new semantic territory (word) that makes them feel clever, despite revealing how little they actually understand.

It's incredibly depressing that language is such a godawful way to transmit meaning despite being the absolute best way we have yet discovered to transmit meaning.

[–] rf_@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

It’s a perfectly cromulent word

[–] Englishgrinn@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

People using a term incorrectly doesn't rob the term of meaning. Enshittification is an ongoing process across hundreds of web services and other industries. It remains a set definition, regardless of colloquial use. It remains a useful and insightful concept, regardless of mass appeal or adoption.

You're mad at people diluting the definition, but they can't do that; They can only demonstrate their own ignorance.

If you're the type of person who wants to punch a wall when someone says "irregardless", then you learn to judge words by their utility, not their use case.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

It's an important subject that deserves attention, but when the single word meant to refer to it just means "shitty" to most of the people listening, the word is useless. The presumed intent of the word was to make that discussion easier, but it's just made it more difficult.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 3 points 3 days ago

I'm sort of half with you and half with OP.

Languages are fluid, and the meanings of words shift over time. I think it's indeed possible for the original, specific meaning of "enshittify" to become diluted and warped with more and more people latching on to it and using it for their own ends. And that that quite possibly leads to people in the future repeating and using the new word, not the old one.

Sort of like the word "nerd" from around the time when I was a teenager. I understood it to mean specifically quite a bright person, often very talented at STEM-type subjects, and often on the shy, unsocial side. In only a couple decades it seems to have greatly shifted in meaning towards someone who tends to be sort of an otaku-level fan or hobbyist of stuff like video games, manga, etc. It's pretty wild to me, considering where I remember the word starting.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Words are defined by usage and can have one or more common usages and idiosyncratic usages say in technical or slang parlance or misuse or similar to a common usage, but there's no clear boundaries for when X people use it to mean B instead of A that common usage changed. Because of that fact it requires an historic context to define clear boundaries on common usage, like generations or species a dictionary is a snapshot of a gradually changing thing. Your current perspective on it's usage failing any specific definition may or may not be justified under common usage, I don't think you can necessarily determine that from contemporary evidence though.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

Sorry I could've said that better. Tl;dr I don't know if you're right or wrong, and I don't think we'll have a good way to tell which for sure for maybe another 5-10 years. I spend too much time online and in niche spaces to have a good grasp on how most people actually use the word.