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All of these are singular examples of events that are presumably violations of existing law, except the last frame which is about changing policy and affects the state's position on all events in the future. They are not the same.
And also, the vast majority of men are in favor of criminalizing rape of any kind.
the vast majority of men are in favor of criminalizing rape of any kind
not in India, where this comic's from
The majority of men there think it's wrong based on NFHS survey data from 2021. Men's "rights" groups claim that a law against marital rape would be misused to bring about false accusations (which this comic points out) and this gets amplified by the algorithm.
The criminalization of marital rape is sadly a fairly recent concept in human history and only began in the mid 1900s. Germany criminalized it as recently as the late 1990s and the UK a few years before that.
India is looking to significantly overhaul its legal codes, much of which are derived from outdated colonial/Victorian norms, which is long overdue.
well that's the proportion that thinks it's wrong, not the proportion that thinks it should be criminalized. one reason is what you've pointed out in your first paragraph.
and even this statistic comes with a caveat. according to https://thebetterindia.com/134673/survey-nfhs-marital-rape-india/, it's 42%, which places only 58% of men as against marital rape. that is a majority but it's not what i'd call a "vast" majority at all. it seems plausible that at least 50% could be against criminalization if 42% don't even think it's morally wrong. (interestingly, 52% of women don't think it's morally wrong either.)
...presumably violations of existing law ... changing policy ... They are not the same.
This is kind of bonkers. Women's advocacy doesn't split this hair, gay advocacy doesn't split this hair, trans advocacy doesn't split this hair, racial advocacy doesn't split this hair. The challenges facing any identity or demographic group are often only weakly affected by the law.
All of the problems listed are cultural problems, problems caused in no small part by men's own values and attitudes about what manhood should be.
Id like to add comment, as I agree with you.
In a comment last week somewhere, I posted about a 68 year old man who told me he had been raped by a man when he was a child.
this 68 year old man, is an old biker dude whos been in and out of jail, now sober 15+ years, however, he cannot get through two sentences without making a sexual joke about women.
for example, a mild example, we were ording dinner for a group, and my sister went up to him with the menu to ask him what he wanted from the resturant, he responded, "a red head, a blonde, and a brunette with a big ass".
the day we creamated my father, I had had enough. I yelled at him for this innapropriate habit. he stopped. i was so happy he stopped. but I had to bring up ive been raped to get him to stop though. dumb, but he was repectful after.
then, he told me later that day, or the next I dont remember, he told me verbatiem, that making those jokes is how he copes with the trauma first listed in this comment.
and jokes like this help him through all traumas.
tell me how, after being best friends with my father, for 45 years, he had no idea he gave up his rights to 3/4 children, and the one he kept, he denied being his until she was 13? The shock on his so called best friends face, not knowing most of us werent legally his best friends children, only biologically, shocked me. He had no idea his best friend gave up all his children, and thats why we were estranged.
maybe making jokes as the only form of coping, isnt coping, but masking real issues.
Thereβs a significant number of men who donβt realize marital rape is even a thing, here in the US.
So they completely agree that βrape of any kindβ should be criminalized, as well as going home and raping their wives cuz βgod said so.β
When in my DV realtionship, he was clear, he believed hitting women was wrong, very strong moral code of his.
control, financial abuse, blocking doorways, yelling "your worthless" stealing for ones own benefit, isolating your woman, and rape, were all okay by him though.
as long as you dont hit them
Just as an FYI, women's day is coming up, the 8th of March.
Last year, no one gave a fuck about men's day, on the 19th of November. I care,and I fucking forgot too.
Be prepared for the deluge of idiotic men saying "BuT wHeN iS mEn'S dAy" and idiotic women saying "tHe PatRiaRcHy DoEsN't NeEd A dAy".
Next year, participate in international men's day to bring attention to issues that everyday men face.
EDit: Bring it to your friend's attention. let the chuds know, and try to help address the problems that are causing their chudness, so maybe, they'll stop being chuds
EDIT2 : it's not next year, it's this year. fucking hell, do I know when men's day is, or how to calculate a calendar?
comedian Richard Herring usually spends the entire day on social media answering every single question about when International Men's Day.
it's almost as if it needs visibility and for people to give a fuck about it when it rolls around, so that we can get these problems accepted and taken seriously as a society, and for chuds to shut the fuck up.
I gave a fuck on Novemeber 19th
I dont post much, and just talked about it with my family. but perhaps this year I will try and help by posting about it too, so it is more visible.
we can do this together. we can :)
Thank you for being part of the solution,not the problem
Gotta love a good strawman.
I support men's rights to be men. Even when society and radical feminists say otherwise.
...which almost exclusively happens to trans men. (And TERFs aren't very good feminists anyway)
i would argue, and i think You would agree, TERFs aren't feminists at all.
There are peoples talk about this problems. Some of the problems usualy not gender spesific (like bullying, workplace accidents, and wrongfully jailed) and not seen as just male problems. But somehow you heard none of them. I think problem is you.
the point is that a lot of these examples of similar severity that happen to women would get rallying and protests from time to time, yet the MRA movement doesn't say a word when these examples of patriarchy hurt men
school bullying and blue-collar work forcing definitely discriminate against men. there's similar issues that also affect women, one prominent one being (generally white-collar) workplace discrimination
The irony is that by bringing attention to all the problems in your comic, you're now a MRA.
The sad irony is that by bringing attention to real bad events, Iβm doing more for men than any MRA ever has.
Guess it takes a feminist to care about menβs issues.
Eh, I think the MRA gets a bad rap, similar to how feminists get a bad rap for their extremists and the bad things they have done. Kind of like how the whole incel thing was started by a lady trying to bring up issues of sexuality with disabilities and it morphed into something wholely toxic.
I mean, there are good men too
Kinda sucks. Society really needs people who care about mens rights, but all we've got is people who think being a misogynist counts as being a mens rights activist.
I can guess what it is well enough from the context, but for future reference, what does "MRA" stand for?
The information youβre looking for is in the comic.
Ah. That'll teach me to read the fine print. Thank you.
Theyβre military rations. Meal Ready to Attack
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So apparently now "men's right activists" also doesn't mean what it is just like "feminist"? I find all this redefinition of words really annoying and confusing :(
Can't "men's rights activists" just mean people who advocate for men's rights? Or better yet, stop with the binary gendered language, and instead advocate for gender equity?
Feminists believe women have the same rights as men. What redefinition are you talking about? π€
I don't think highly of those misogyny groups that call themselves mra. But honestly, I have heard them complain about all these things.
But hey, sexist, who calling other sexist sexist, are still sexist and can fuck off.
It's... frustrating.
I'll take that as a hint for how to cure midlife insomnia
That asterisk really saved me
Same. Totally forget these people actually exist