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[–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's in the same category as the Highway of Death, where it's not technically a war crime, but it's close enough to one that you get the feeling that it should be.

It's a moot point anyway, as even if the girls school bombing and any other reported attacks on civilian targets were completely accidental and unintentional, the following two crimes would still have been committed by the Amero-Israeli politicians and brass:

  1. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of a crime against peace
  2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace

Rudolph Hess was found guilty of the above two crimes (but not to war crimes or crimes against humanity) at Nuremberg and sentenced to life in prison. War crimes and crimes against humanity are very provable against a lot of the Israeli brass and political elite, as well as the American political elite, and those crimes were often met with a sentence of execution.

It's very unlikely that we'll get a Nuremburg out of this whole thing, but the legal precedent is quite clear.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Oh this is definitely a war crime. It was murder, they were not even at war with us. We found a helpless ship and sunk it for fun killing the majority of the sailors. Absolutely disgusting.

[–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

It's always a bit of a fuzzy line when it comes to submarine warfare, especially in modern times. A submarine on the surface is so vulnerable that in most military contexts, it would be suicidal to surface in a combat zone. At the same time, a military ship is a completely legitimate target, even if it's defenceless. However, this wasn't exactly a "combat zone", since it was a ship with no escorts known to be defenceless, and very far from any friendly forces capable of assisting it or attacking the submarine.

The rules and customs of war at sea definitively state that you have to offer aid to the crew of a ship you sink. They didn't do that, they just left them for dead. You could argue that a submarine doesn't have the capability to render aid, given the aforementioned necessity of staying submerged, but there was another option. They could have stayed at periscope depth (they were already at periscope depth in order to film the heckin epic sinking of a defenceless ship), radioed them with an order to stop and informed them that they had 10 minutes to abandon ship before they were sunk, and then torpedoed them. This would have satisfied the rules and customs of war, and still have gotten them their torpedo video, while not endangering the sub (especially since Iran had no way to hit it back).

In short, I've definitely come around to the position that this was a war crime, but I would argue that it is only so because they either didn't render aid when they could have, or because they didn't give warning (given that they would argue that they couldn't render aid) when they could have. Don't take explanation of the nuance of the situation as sympathy fot the americans, if there was a button that would kill every american service member i would press it without hesitation.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So we blew up a ship because it belonged to the wrong country and not because it was a threat?

It sure sounds like our country is at war with their country. Good thing my super trustworthy government got out ahead of that one and told us it's not a war.

[–] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Not only that, but it sure looked like they waited for them to muster at a known time and then hit that section of the ship.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

no, you see... they are at war with us but we are just pre-empting their threats. Like.... have you seen the way these people stared at us? They clearly hated us for some reason. And you know how dangerous people are when they are that full of hatred

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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 214 points 2 days ago (77 children)
[–] SammyJK@programming.dev 101 points 2 days ago (10 children)

What the actual fuck? The US has turned into a parody of itself. It's sad to see.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 2 days ago

This is who we always were. Real time media for events out of sight and earshot is relatively new. And that's partly why they want to heavily censor and spy on us.

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[–] krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Okay, that context change my stance for me about the attack on that Warship

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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 80 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (28 children)

The americans knew the ship was coming for a military exercise without ammunition, they couldn't just seize it and captured everyone and got the ship? I'm missing something?

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 day ago

That's not what bullies and war criminals usually do mate.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 84 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They could've done that with Venezuela's "drug boats" too but didn't. That's because the goal was actually to kill people.

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago

That's because the goal was actually to kill brown people.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If they did that they would have a lot more paperwork to forge. The U.S. was claiming that they were running cocaine, but there were reports after one of the bombings that a lot of weed washed up on shore. With a large part of the U.S. population believing weed shouldn't be illegal, and clearly making it legal would take away any reason for someone to smuggle weed into our country selling the idea of attacking their country for it would have been harder. So they would have had to dispose of all the weed, bag up fake cocaine or acquire real cocaine and submit it all to evidence and fake all the paperwork.

Instead they just bomb them and don't have to lie anymore, the evidence was supposed to gone and they could tell the media whatver story they wanted.

[–] d33pblu3g3n3@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

Terrorists want blood.

[–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Maximum lethality, not tepid legality.

[–] Infinite@lemmy.zip 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You assume they wanted the ship or prisoners more than the death and suffering

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

The US desperately needs to change the regime, because otherwise they know the same will happen to their oil tankers eventually.

[–] shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 69 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Fun fact: they were unarmed

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have that very album in my CD shelf 5 meters from me - when I bought it I just thought it was a cool Star Wars reference - I didn't know what quality music I was getting :)

[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (13 children)

This is just the start. The old world broke once russia invaded Ukraine and we did nothing. Now other countries have realized that the world wont do anything if they also attack. Expansion has once again started. I expect Taiwan to be finished by summer too.

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[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (7 children)

It's weird how the US is turning into everything it fought against. Was fun while it lasted.

[–] dazzlingclitgame@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Did we fight against it or did we hide our war crimes better?

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