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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 12 points 4 hours ago

I'm going to get some sleep, if anyone else is curious about anarchism the AFAQ often has answers for many of your common questions.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-full

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 1 points 18 minutes ago

Of these options, the part where I don't get to make your decisions, I guess. There's going to be some guy who wants to shit in the drinking water, and I'm going to want to stop him.

I'm fairly certain the anti-anarchism rhetoric instilled into people is a result of long seated anti-intellectualism propaganda and policies.

Some of the biggest proponents of anarchy I have met were professors.

In our current world, the rich and powerful have a vested interest in keeping the population uninformed. Think of how hard they tried to bury communism and socialism. Anarchy, the idea of self-governing, leaves them with no wealth, no power, and nothing to contribute.

[–] lmdnw@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Genuine question because my understanding of anarchism is cursory, but how does anarchism prevent ‘might makes right’ from being the prevailing ideology? If there is no system of laws, how do we protect against rapists and murderers? Does it require everyone to be armed to the teeth at all times just to protect themselves?

Also, how does anarchism ensure we can regulate food safety and medicine? Is the expectation that everyone produce their own food? How do we protect ourselves against the 1%? They have far more resources than the rest of us, so couldn’t they basically muscle their way to the top and cement themselves there, with no hope of being toppled without some sort of systemic change?

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 18 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

How does anarchism prevent ‘might makes right’ from being the prevailing ideology?

How does the world currently prevent that? It doesn't, the largest states do as they wish to the smaller ones, and internally the states do what they wish to the citizens. Under anarchism you would defend your community and your communities would defend each other. You can see this in action in places like the Chiapas were communities defend themselves from the state and cartels.

If there is no system of laws

Anarchism is not a world devoid of rules, in fact it's all about rules. Except these are rules mutually-agreed upon by members of the community rather than dictated by politicians with no interest in the well-being of the community.

how do we protect against rapists and murderers? Does it require everyone to be armed to the teeth at all times just to protect themselves?

How do you protect against rapists and murderers? How do you today, do you ring the cops and wait 30 minutes? Under anarchism the community would ensure its own defence, you and your neighbours and everyone else would be empowered to protect yourselves, and you would want to because its your community. At present you must wait for the bastards to show up and maybe do something to help, if not make the situation actively worse.

Also, how does anarchism ensure we can regulate food safety and medicine?

Why would you want to produce unsafe foods and medicines, there is no profit motive to cut-corners and you are only hurting yourselves.

Is the expectation that everyone produce their own food?

The expectation is communities would produce resources for themselves, and co-operate with neighbouring communities to share what's needed.

How do we protect ourselves against the 1%? They have far more resources than the rest of us, so couldn’t they basically muscle their way to the top and cement themselves there, with no hope of being toppled without some sort of systemic change?

How do you protect yourselves against the 1% today? You don't.

Under anarchism, you actively fight them.

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 2 points 30 minutes ago (1 children)

So by that sentiment the world is as it should exist under anarchism. The strongest groups overpowered the lesser groups amd this is where it sits.

Thats the thing. We walked out of the forest under this "system" and kingships, gangs, fiefdoms, and religious conclaves was all we got out of it. What makes you think, particularly in the current climate, that humanity has changed at all enough to not do the exact same thing again.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 minutes ago

Brain damage is the answer

[–] MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 29 minutes ago

I'm not sure anarchism could work as well on paper as it would in real life. I think close examples are when a country loses it's hierarchical structure and the void is typically filled with extremists or the most violent and well armed individuals who than instate a new hierarchy. The people have a chance to establish an anarchist society, but are never able to or incapable of doing so.

If you look at governing systems like these as organisms. Anarchism is too weak to defend against stronger power struggles and will always be consumed from within and without by a larger status quo, just because human nature is to establish systems and group together. Eventually that grows so much conflicts on ideals on how the opposing systems should operate arise, one sees the other as counter to their ways and conflict eventually ensues.

Even in Anarchism there are different ideals on how it should be achieved. With those nuance differences that would eventually come to some immovable beliefs that would cause larger systems to develop to overpower differences.

A lot of people don't want to govern themselves or be involved in the complexity of making community decisions. They'd rather have someone else do that and eventually that someone else becomes a leader and that path leads to a hierarchy.

I think the age of simplicity that Anarchism brings is left in the past of our evolutionary progress of organized systems. Great idea, but proven it will never hold because it's more of a transitional state that will eventually grow into complexity it's principles can't answer anymore.

[–] username_1@programming.dev 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

The part where that random guy with a bigger gun than mine will start making decisions for me.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 9 points 3 hours ago

What you're describing is the current state of the world

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 11 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

You mean what literally happens today where the US does whatever it wants? And the states with their guns makes the citizens follow its laws?

[–] Skipcast@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

And how would anarchy fix that if nothing would change?

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

The only way it would be better under anarchy is that you would no longer be shouldering the moral burden of participating.

In a democracy you need to come to terms with the fact that things are shitty. I held my nose and voted for Harris because YES she would have still allowed Israel to continue their campaign of terror against Gaza, but there's a laundry list of terrible things that have happened under Trump that absolutely would not have under Harris.

To be an anti-democracy anarchist is to hide your head in the sand. To stand at the trolley switch without touching it, trying to convince yourself that the blood is not on your hands. Trying to pretend like we can sequester off pieces of this one planet into containers that do not impact each other.

It's a great ideology for teenagers explore. To see things in extremes and think more abstractly without getting bigger down with the details of reality.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 11 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Who said nothing would change?

We currently live in a top-down system, where a handful of rich influential people decide everything. Anarchism is a bottom-up system where the people directly decide everything.

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 2 points 2 hours ago

But unless we kill everyone who has access to those big guns, they'll still have access to them after the system changes. I agree that a change needs to happen, but I can't really wrap my head around how we're going to stop people with city-destroying bombs, who wouldn't hesitate to use them on American soil if their lives were at risk. We either let them live, and keep their weapons, or we try to kill them and get taken out in a firestorm of mutually assured destruction. Taking about what we're going to do after we've won that battle just feels like planning a wedding before asking someone out on a date.

[–] breakingcups@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

The same people who overwhelmingly voted this shitshow into power?

[–] username_1@programming.dev 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, something like that. But in case of governments we have a few sources of threat, while without the governments we have millions sources of threat, half of which are completely crazy.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 9 points 4 hours ago

What extra sources of threats do you imagine with a people led system vs a ruling class led system?

The exact same threats exist.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

The part where people with better material positions consolidate power and influence, and exercise that power over the meek.

Or the part where greedy fucks "make their own decisions" that don't factor in externalities or the impact they have to the common good. Resulting in things like the destruction of our natural environment and ecosystem.