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The idea that Israel is controlling the US, or that this is Trump's fault, is just damage control for the US Empire (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 18 hours ago by Chezeng@lemmygrad.ml to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

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I'm seeing a lot of commentators arguing that the tail is wagging the dog, downplaying the USA's role in all this. Israel is a creation of the West and this war against Iran is in line with everything the USA has done over the centuries. Let's not act like poor USA is being bullied by Israel. Secondly, many are blaming Trump. This is classic scapegoating and only serves to distract people from the fact that the ENTIRE US government is corrupt. By pointing the finger at an individual, they are reinforcing the lie that democracy exists in the USA and that people only need to vote the right person in next time.

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[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net -1 points 8 minutes ago

Counterpoint: it is now public knowledge that Israeli intelligence has raised up an entire ruling class of pedophiles in the US and knowably have video of Trump fucking a child specifically. Now we certainly bear some responsibility for allowing that to happen for fear of being called an antisemite, but...

[–] puntinoblue@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago

Indeed, the US only seized the management of Venezuelan oil last month - the country with the largest oil reserves in the world (Iran is third after Saudi Arabia)

[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago

Good post comrade

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

Also to keep in mind is that Iran and Venezuela are not isolated. They are a coherent plan. Without Venezuelan oil the US couldn't keep the war in Iran for longer due to prices sky-rocketing.

[+] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

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[–] TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Who owns the Military Industrial Complex? Who owns the corporations? WHOSE INTERESTS ARE THEY?

If you live in the USA and you haven't studied USA history critically, beyond what you were taught in school, then you really don't understand it at all. I get that Citizens United is a tempting scapegoat, but it was not better before that; all Citizens United did was strip away some of the pretense.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 hours ago

Who owns the corporations? WHOSE INTERESTS ARE THEY?

No one owns corporations. This is a key fact.

Keep studying. You'll eventually get there.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, no. This is something you need to work through. Earnestly. I want you to read American history and understand how the country has never been a democracy.

Realize that the US was an apartheid regime until the 1960s. That's 200 years of racial apartheid. You're gonna call that a democracy?

If you think WW2 was the end of Democracy, and that was literally 20 years before the end of apartheid, your definition of democracy is white supremacist.

[+] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You do realize that an apartheid state literally is based on denying democracy to entire populations right? Sure white supremacists get to vote. That's not a democracy. That's rule by an occupying force.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 hours ago

The US never had a democracy, it was always a genocidal machine and the father of fascism. Nazi Germany's wet dreams are everyday Usonian reality.