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[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 1 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

Question:
Is the plan to make it so only very rich and poor people have kids?

The reasoning behind my question is that rich people are generally selfish and thus will vote in a selfish way. And poor people can usually be easily controlled or could be discounted/removed from the voting arena.

I realise I'm generalising here.
But the reasoning is there, if they 'wipe out' the generation of people who usually vote against then that helps, right? Or am I being too fantastical and conspiracy theorist?

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

The plan is to move all the money to the top 0.1%. Low birthrate is just a side effect of that. The plan was always to fill in the gaps in workforce with illegal immigrants who are cheaper and easier to steal money from. Currently I'm not sure what the plan is. Robots? Abandon manufacturing altogether?

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Society has become outright hostile to parents. Cost is a major reason, but far from the only one.

The future does not look too promising.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago

But still the poorest pop out the most babies. Nothing beats throwing a child into lifelong servitude to the overlords and call it "love" 😑 We (the societies) managed to train legions of good obedient wage-slaves that never question anything and multiply accordingly. And the occasional one-in-a-million that manages to escape, can serve as a dream for the others that they're totally unable to ever achieve, not even by a fraction.

Wifey and me have more money than we ever could spend, yet would find having a kid too expensive. Besides the time and attention it costs on top. We'd rather enjoy life ourselves.

We couldn't set a kid into this shit hole of capitalism on a downward slope and feel good about it.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Until the rich have their wealth repatriated by the working class, people will continue to not have kids.

[–] Uschaan@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Meanwhile in Sweden the fee is capped at about $200/month.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 17 minutes ago

And birthrate is still very low.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Also why bring a kid into this hellfire right now.

[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Because now is the best time to be alive, ever. I could take you back 100, 200, 500, 1000, or 5000 years ago and things just get shittier and shittier the further back we go yet people kept having kids.

[–] ChadGPT2@lemmy.world 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Not quite true. 20-30 years ago would be better than now. Slightly worse medical science is offset by everything else being farther up the collapse timeline.

I get our argument but I don’t think it’s accurate to overlook how terrible things have gotten in the past few decades just by taking the longview.

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 1 points 1 hour ago

My support worker just got a new client and she said they bought their house for about 30k$ decades ago and are now sitting on millions.

Who the fuck can afford a house or kids or anything other than the bare minimum.

Costs keep going up, wages stay the same or often get smaller. What. The. Fuck.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 22 points 8 hours ago

In a viral Substack post in November, he took particular aim at the federal government’s poverty line, which traces back to the early 1960s and was calculated by tripling the cost of a minimum food diet at the time.

The poverty line’s narrow focus on food leaves out how much other expenses are now sucking up incomes and lowballing the minimum amount Americans need to get by.

Green estimated that food makes up just 5% to 7% of household spending, but put housing at 35% to 45%, childcare at 20% to 40%, and health care at 15% to 25%.

Base something on a single metric, and it doesn't take long for it to become pointless...

Because that's the only thing anyone is paying attention to.

Calories are cheap, and subsides for shit like corn syrup is hurting more than it helps. But it pumps the calorie count up which trades short term starvation for slightly longer term health issues.

It's nothing new, different demographics have been trying to raise the alarm for decades, generations even.

Everyone just ignored it till it hit the suburbs, and now want to act like it's brand new.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

I've never quite understood this, because the birth rate is highest at the lowest income level. So, the people who are least able to afford child care have the most kids. I know people will say the reason is a lack of education or insufficient access to birth control, but if that's the case then what causes people to have fewer kids is a better education and more access to birth control, not unaffordability. And that seems to be supported by the fact that households making $50k to $75k have more kids than households making $150k to $200k. Yeah, they're both making less than $400k, but the people making $200k are much closer to $400k, yet they have fewer kids.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 2 minutes ago

I think you understand this pretty well. For educated people parenting is a choice. They wait for the right moment in the career, they make sure they will be able to provide their children with everything they may need and that their kids will have optimal conditions for growth and development, they consider their other passions and projects and weight them against having kids.

Uneducated people simply have kids and don't really give it a second thought. You have kids, you feed them some junk food, give them phone to play with and that's it. You're a happy family.

[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

pretty much, they're desperate for you to make more white babies

oh..you're not white?

i'm calling the polICE

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

YDI. should have been born white instead.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 4 points 5 hours ago

If you're looking at people in developed countries where more kids doesn't necessarily mean more labor, the difference can also be somewhat explained by religion and quality of life concerns. Extremely religious people in the us, who tend to be less educated and have lower incomes, may not believe in contraception and believe that "god will provide". That may sound like an exaggeration, but I personally know someone with 7 kids who cannot afford to feed them but thinks that they will go to hell if they use condoms and denying their husband is also a sin somehow. They just talk about how god intended for their family to struggle. That's not a mindset you generally see in high income families.

The other factor is quality of life (and yes, education). If you're making enough to afford a home and a good education for 1-2 children, you may be looking to give your child a good life and a good springboard for their future. If you know that no matter what you do, you will never be able to afford a college education for your child, then that makes having a child "less expensive" in that regard. You know you won't be able to afford sports or extracurricular activity equipment, or new clothes, so while a family earning more may spend a smaller percentage of their income on any single child, the resources they are expecting to be able to provide them increase. A lot of low income families may have the approach that if a child is fed they've done the thing. Check mark on parenting for the day. If that's the approach to parenting then it's less resource intensive than a more involved approach that some high income families may have. I want to be clear that this is not a moral failing or some kind of judgement being passed. I think a lot of people don't realize the day to day of very low income families. There are still people in the US raising families with no access to electricity or even running water. They have a very different background and understanding of what a family looks like. I don't think they are inherently evil for having more kids and being unable to provide for them in the way others may expect, but I also think that's not an excuse to allow children to live in unsafe conditions. I legitimately believe that if we had better education in low income and rural areas that you'd see this disparity drop, as they learn the different options education can provide and strive to ensure their own children get the best education and support possible.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Inequality is the primary factor. If people making $150k to $200k can reasonably conclude that having children would be a burden on their future economic prospects (in an already uncertain future), they will decide against it. $50k to $75k is probably more in the "fuck it, we might as well have more sources of potential labor and income and maybe a subsidy or two since we're already at this point", and people making $400k or above have nothing to fear from child expenses.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

Nah. The people having the kids aren't generally thinking about another source of labor. I come from a stinking, filthy kind of poverty. Sex is free entertainment and family planning costs money or time to get to the clinic and you have to deal with assholes who think the family planning clinics are abortion factories. So you think "if we're careful it won't happen, I'll just pull out".

A lot of quiverful ministries are also home to the very poor. Some of them are given teaching for how to get extra money from the government for every kid. The man works, the woman does not, and the older kids are in charge of the younger ones. Childcare solved, in their eyes. I could be mad at them for gaming the system, but I've already got too much anger in my heart over the government blaming it on the "welfare queen" stereotype. You know the lie. Black woman with 5 kids from 6 daddies, every one of the daddies is gone. When in reality the system gamers are poor white evangelicals of a specific flavor.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 hours ago

A lot of that might also be location based. Where I am right now we're paying ~1700/mo for daycare. Wife got a job for nearly double our current combined income (for 260k) so moving to Boston, daycare going to ~3000/mo and housing going from 2k/mo to looking at 6-10k/mo. It almost feels like a paycut...but at least driving should become more optional.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago

My wife and I just had our third kid. We don't make nearly that much, but we're quite comfortable.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

If childcare costs $400,000 then would it be more financially viable to have one parents stay at home and provide care and quit their job/career?

Neither of the parents probably make that much, so if it saves $400k it would save money. If that figure is actually true.

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 4 hours ago

Did you at any point between misreading this headline and deciding you'd solved a blindingly obvious problem, think to read the link?

This isn't Twitter. Stop with your responses to 140 characters.

Oh and by the way, "just stay home" is pretty shitty as a solution even in itself because taking years off work is significantly damaging to one's career and women are disproportionately expected and pressured to be the ones to do so.

[–] spizzat2@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 hours ago

Federal guidelines say that childcare is affordable if it consumes no more than 7% of household income. Citing data from Child Care Aware of America, LendingTree found that the average annual cost of care for an infant and a 4-year-old is $28,190 nationwide.

That would require household income of $402,708 a year to meet the 7% benchmark.

Childcare doesn't cost $400k (at least not according to the article, or even the headline). The article says it costs $28k. Most people are going to make more than $28k/yr, so keeping the second job is still a financial positive.