Should admins have the ability to discard votes, and if so, which admins? Should community mods have that ability? Can you think of any ways that tools like this could be abused?

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[–] rimu@piefed.social 57 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When banning someone there is the option to remove their content too. It makes sense to include votes in that.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 day ago

I agree this makes the most sense.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

IMO if you're banned from a community, for good reasons or not, you shouldn't be able to interact at all. If I kick someone out, I don't want them peeing thru the mail slot.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 18 hours ago

That's already the case, the question is what should happen to the votes before the ban

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 34 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I think votes should honestly be a bit more like old school SlashDot voting, where you had several different types of votes you could leave on a comment like Insightful, Funny, Helpful, etc. Have a few negative ones like Bad Faith Argument, Spam, Advertisement, etc. And also like old school /., you'd have a limited amount of votes you can give. Make them replenish once per day, or have users earn additional votes for receiving positive votes on their comments, or something along those lines.

That would prevent bombing an entire comment thread with downvotes, and provides much-needed context for any given comment's score.

[–] thlibos@thelemmy.club 2 points 6 hours ago

I miss slashdot. My opinion is that if somebody was banned because of vote related chicanery, then their votes should disappear with them. If it didn't have anything to do with votes, the votes should stay. Not sure if that's feasible.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago

I have felt there needed to be a specific type of vote available only to the original poster and to the users individual reply.

An up/downvote from the OP or the user I responded to I think should be differentiated from another user who isn't either.

If the OP or commentator votes that should be noted alongside the X number of random votes. It isn't an anonymous vote, but those votes would be public acknowledgements tied to the user making the public post/comment.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 day ago

Hard agree on the first part, hard disagree on the second part. Making the system into any sort of rewards system with counterbalancing not only makes the overall system tastier to exploit for Fake Internet Points, but also makes migrating less sellable to new users because their ability or value to interact is reduced or even nullified for a non-deterministic amount of time.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

or have users earn additional votes for receiving positive votes on their comments

I found the slashdot system worse than the reddit/lemmy system, if you commented anything that offended the hive mind you got downvoted into oblivion and lost the ability to vote, which obviously ended up reinforcing the hive mind.

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[–] captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

I would give you an Insightful vote but I don't have any left. /s

Jokes aside, I like both limiting number of votes per day (or otherwise) and having different kinds of votes. The reason why something is up/down voted can make for a better discussion. But I am agnositc towards renewing votes bases on engagement. On one hand, it would increase engagement, and on the other hand, it could scare lurkers away from otherwise upvoting good content.

[–] lath@piefed.social 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Piefed has some comment emojis available. Not sure how they show up on other instances.

I used a "no smoking' one on your comment. But did i use it properly or just to screw around?

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

On Mbin, it shows as just a regular upvote. Emoji votes would also be a great change, too! I like the way Misskey-like instances use them.

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[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 5 points 1 day ago

This shows up regularly. It would definitely be an improvement over the current binary system.

Piefed already has the emoji reactions, so that's a step in that direction

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago (25 children)

Uh, votes don't matter here. That's one of the improvements over Reddit.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago

they are visible, they do matter, just not that much as on reddit

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

when did this change? I can't vote if I'm even tempbanned let alone full banned.

[–] otter@piefed.ca 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

This was about old votes from before the user was banned, specifically for vote manipulation bots

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

ahhhh, that makes sense.

[–] witty_username@feddit.nl 19 points 1 day ago

It depends on the reason for banning, no? If the account was banned because it is a bot, it makes sense to remove all their activity including votes.
However, if the account was banned for misbehaviour, I think it makes more sense to remove only the offending posts and directly associated votes. E.g. all votes by the offending account in the thread in which the offence took place

[–] john_t@piefed.ee 16 points 1 day ago (11 children)

No one is here for the internet points. Why worry about imaginary karma?

[–] Pamasich@kbin.earth 29 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Because it affects visibility of content.

Read OP's post, they're worrying about manipulation, not karma whoring or harassment.

Stuff like bots mass up or downvoting a post to promote or hide it.

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[–] Snoopy@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago

@rimu@piefed.social @wjs018@piefed.social a good topic to developp :)

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