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[–] whereIsTamara@lemmy.org 44 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Next week the US fascists will celebrate putting lead back into gas

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They actually can't if they wanted to. It would very quickly destroy modern fuel injection systems and completely clog catalytic converters. They'd almost instantly cripple most of the US by-

Wait, fuck. I gotta stop typing or else they'll think this is a good idea!!!

[–] whereIsTamara@lemmy.org 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean… destroying cars means you buy more cars. CAPITALISM.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Or it means less pollution if you also crash the economy so no one can afford more cars.

[–] whereIsTamara@lemmy.org 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sadly, I don’t think that’s how it works.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm interested in hearing your logic behind this.

If all of the modern engines are bricked and people can't afford to buy new cars, then there will be less cars generating pollution.

[–] whereIsTamara@lemmy.org 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They’ll just keep rebuilding engines. They’ll use old cars. It’s not going to end cars. People are too dependent on cars. The earth (as we know it) is dead. Nothing will stop it.

On the up side, once humanity is wiped out of existence, the earth will eventually bounce back.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

We crushed all the non collectable old cars after the 2007 cash for clunkers scam.

[–] WesternInfidels@feddit.online 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Not enough people are aware that the compound added to gasoline, tetraethyl lead (TEL), was understood to be potently toxic before it was used as a gasoline additive. Effective alternatives to TEL existed, but TEL had the advantage that its use could be patented. It could make some very rich companies even richer.

Short article from Smithsonian Magazine, 2016: Leaded Gas Was a Known Poison the Day It Was Invented

...in February 1923, a filling station sold the first tank of leaded gasoline. [TEL developer] Midgley wasn’t there: he was in bed with severe lead poisoning, writes History.com. The next year, there was serious backlash against leaded gasoline after five workers died from TEL exposure at the Standard Oil Refinery in New Jersey, writes Deborah Blum for Wired, but still, the gasoline went into general sale later that decade.

Long, long article from The Nation, 2000, by way of archive.org: The Secret History of Lead

In March 1922, Pierre du Pont wrote to his brother Irénée du Pont, Du Pont company chairman, that TEL is “a colorless liquid of sweetish odor, very poisonous if absorbed through the skin, resulting in lead poisoning almost immediately.” This statement of early factual knowledge of TEL’s supreme deadliness is noteworthy, for it is knowledge that will be denied repeatedly by the principals in coming years as well as in the Ethyl Corporation’s authorized history, released almost sixty years later. Underscoring the deep and implicit coziness between GM and Du Pont at this time, Pierre informed Irénée about TEL before GM had even filed its patent application for it.

A concise history in timeline format: The Rise and Fall of Leaded Gasoline: An Absurd and True Timeline

1923: GM partners with Standard Oil (now Exxon) and DuPont to form Ethyl Gasoline Corporation. They market the product as “Ethyl,” deliberately avoiding the word “lead” despite known toxicity.

[–] kek@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 days ago

What the hell is wrong with Du Pont. Horrible track record

They forgot airplanes tho

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Forcing unleaded gas on the American people was so woke.

Don't tell the GOP, they'll insist on extra-leaded gas for all of us.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Of course it worked, where did they think the lead was coming from?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They knew where it was coming from, they just wanted MORE MONEY from cheap additives to the already catastrophically destructive oil profits.

Stripping regulations like these is a core tenet of fascism. I mean republicans. Like, Reagan-deep.

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The additives at the time didn't work well; and simply removing the lead would lead to premature detonation, destroying engines. It wasn't until the health effects were proven to be a big issue there was enough demand to change engine designs to be compatible with unleaded gas. That pressure was required as operating an additional set of incompatible fuel and engine types isn't easy.

We still haven't completely removed leaded gas from daily use. Namely small aircraft still use it for the same reasons cars used to use it.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Biodeisel was around, but it wasn’t sexy. Wouldn’t sell.

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We do that with gasoline in the US. 10% of gas is corn ethanol.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's "up to 10%". Who knows what the actual number is.

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It's 10%.


The Renewable Fuel Standard, createdy by the Energy Policy Act of 2005 mandates an increasing quantity of ethanol be produced and mixed into gasoline. That is now at 36 billion gallons of ethanol as of 2022.

However, it is capped at 10% to ensure engines can safely use it. So, with the US annual consumption of gasoline at 137 billion gallons, we hit the 10% cap and put 13 billion gallons of ethanol into gasoline.

Who knows what the actual number is.

It's 10%.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The very first paragraph in your last link straight up says the actual amount varies.

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The very first paragraph in your last link straight up says the actual amount varies.

That paragraph says the amount of denaturant in ethanol varries. That is normally 2%, but can vary.


That very first paragraph has ethanol numbers, and those numbers are....10%:

In 2023, about 0.33 billion barrels (13.73 billion gallons) of fuel ethanol were blended into the 3.26 billion barrels (137.11 billion gallons) of finished motor gasoline consumed.

Do you have anything that shows it isn't 10% or are you just trying to give me a hard time? The actual numbers, directly from the EIA, are 10%.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Most of finished motor gasoline sold in the United States is about 10% fuel ethanol by volume.

Very first sentence. 'About 10%' is not the same as 10%, and 'Most' means not all gasoline is 'about 10%'. You can still buy ethanol free gasoline.

That's why it's phrased as "May contain up to 10% ethanol." Without testing a sample you won't know exactly how much ethanol it contains.

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

About 10% is not the same as 10%

That's correct, using EIA's numbers, it's actually 10.12% ethanol in 2023!

Math: 0.33b / 3.26b -> 10.12%

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 3 days ago

That math is meaningless to the discussion of whether or not every single has pump has exactly 10% ethanol.

There's a reason that absolute wording isn't used. Here's another instance of the government using 'up to 10%'

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Lead-headed boomers and gen-x'ers still fucking it up for the rest of us.

[–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This just in: Banning something reduces the volume of it.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 3 days ago

The war on drugs would like a word with you.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Shows about hair are now banning lead?

Like, what kind of shows? Hairstyling shows?

What a strangely phrased title.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

WTH? Why were you downvoted for that? The Web is such a strange place. Like you, I didn't understand the title.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Re-phrasing it:

“Leaded fuel bans successful based on hair analyses”

Straightforward, albeit somehow clunky.

“HTMA show leaded fuel bans success”

That does leave an acronym to be deciphered, so maybe not the best.

“Hair records leaded fuel ban effectiveness”

Almost as pithy, and creatively accurate. Because hair does act as something of a record of what happened to the body.

I think the entire speed bump of the original could have been removed by replacing “shows” with “demonstrates”. A longer word, yes, so less ideal in our brevity-obsessed media, but one that dramatically prunes away other possible misinterpretations. And replacing “lead in fuel” with “leaded fuel” would have definitely reduced clunkiness as well.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Ah, thanks. Nice clarification.

[–] grimpy@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 4 days ago

good ole GOP, “Let’s lead with lead!”