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[–] E_coli42@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

If you change to different centralized payment systems, they will eventually devolve into oligopolies/monopoly as well. In order to make a final solution that works forever, you need a free/open protocol like GNU_Taler

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

There should be some sort of free and open source payment system with no central party in charge at all.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

That's because it's only available in like one country, afawa.

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 4 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

My geography is rusty. Where is afawa?

[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 hours ago

It means as far as we're aware.

[–] Trail@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago

North of afaik

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

How is that even possible if there's no central party in chargeβ€½

[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 hours ago

Because not many businesses/countries have signed up to it. We said "available" when we perhaps should have said "used" but you hopefully understand us better now.

[–] NorthoftheBorder@lemmy.ca 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

A Canadian alternative is desperately needed too.

[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 hours ago

at least we have debit....

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 0 points 7 hours ago

They are planning to release were system to replace Visa and MasterCard.

[–] sahin@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Lets create a distributed fediverse alternative lol

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 hours ago

It would get stuck in endless debate over whether John Deere should be allowed to sell things because someone from Israel bought a tractor once.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world -2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yet your elected officials are trying to force a digital ID through Zionist Larry Ellisons company Oracle onto the EU populace so it’s a little hard to believe they are going to do anything to challenge the powers that be.

[–] NorskSud@lemmy.pt -1 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Could you say the same thing minus the antissemitism? Of course, but wouldn't be the same, would it?

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

A religion is not a country. If a country is based on extermination and apartheid of people who do not meet their ethnic and religious requirements that country is in the wrong. Zionism is not representative of a religion anymore than nazism is representative of people who have a genetics tied to Germany. If you were against Nazi ideology are you against Germans? Your argument makes no sense and your claim that criticism of war crimes of a country following a very dangerous ideology are representative of an entire religion is offensive and I know for a fact that a lot of the Jewish community vocally does not not appreciate your argument or want to be tied to the toxic ideology of Zionism.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Here is a list of Anti-Zionist Jewish groups are they antisemitic? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_anti-Zionist_organizations

[–] Hirom@beehaw.org 11 points 14 hours ago

More banks and businesses should support Taler.

If Visa/Mastercard get replaced by another company's centralized payment system, what prevent a large foreign corp from buying it, like they regularily do? Then we're back to square one.

[–] Bigfishbest@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Norway has BankAxept I believe. Fully homegrown, works just like visa.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 2 points 2 hours ago

Every country in Europe has its own payment system, that's kind of the whole point

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 4 points 10 hours ago

Italy has Bancomat, but still. We need a system that's interoperable in the whole Europe.

[–] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 7 points 15 hours ago

I also have Amex and Discover... oh wait

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