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This is 1000x more likely to be a clerical error or time zone thing rather than a conspiracy.
His body was supposedly discovered on August 10 at 6:30am. Which time zone are you suggesting?
Edit: also it says Friday, August 9, 2019 which is much harder to make a mistake.
I don't see the document in the article, here it is: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00013180.pdf
This looks like it was a draft. Here's the final version https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/statement-manhattan-us-attorney-death-defendant-jeffrey-epstein it is slightly modified and adds "of apparent suicide"
Occam's Razor says that explanation with fewest assumptions is likely the right one. With all the other coincidences that led to his death, his apparent suicide requires a lot of more assumptions.
Occam's Razor says that explanation with fewest assumptions is likely the right one.
Yeah, the Occam's razor answer definitely isn't that someone reused an existing document from the day before and forgot to change the date. That's just unbelievable. It's more likely that this was a premeditated murder and someone filed the paperwork a day early on accident.
Yeah:
Each of them could be explained somehow through assumptions, but there are quite a lot of assumptions, don't you think?
I would imagine that in 21 century, FBI would have system to enter such notices and it would populate it with current date, because why would you want to modify date if you aren't doing anything shady?
The questioning about this article is less about whether he did or did not kill himself but more so whether the date error is evidence he didn’t kill himself
Even if we were 100% sure he was murdered, why would some lowly typist know about it in advance and pre write a report. Like obviously the admin is incompetent and left so many glaring holes but why would they tell a non essential person?
At the end of the day it’s basically impossible that he actually killed himself of his own volition but to say that a date error is proof of that is incredibly flimsy
it's also plausible that, if it were a murder and not a suicide, everything was prepared the day before but they couldn't go on time and had to wait a day.
there are a lot of possibilities. certainly a critical error is one of them. but if we're going to talk about plausible explanations that isn't the only one
Why though. Why would you prepare the document the day before? Why do you need to have it "ready to go"? There's literally no logical reason to premake such a document. It doesn't benefit the murder plan at all.
It absolutely 100% does make sense to do that.
It is called crafting a cover story.
Have you ever done something for one reason, but told people you did it for another reason?
Have you ever been in a scenario where you were considering whether or not you would do something like that, but realized you would need a convincing false narrative for other people first, before you considered actually doing the thing?
It very much benefits a group of people or an organization that is doing something lile this, to get all their stories straight, before they proceed.
The first bullet point is infinitely more trivial than the others, and knowing way too much about document management and content management, I'm aware that it's common to make date errors in templated forms. That one doesn't meet the reasonable-doubt test.
The other bullet points, though... a lot of things about that situation stink to high heaven.
Don't get distracted by the small stuff. If you're wrong about it, bad actors will claim that that's proof that everything you're saying is wrong too.
Clerical error then
Yeah, the cleric filled it too early. Didn't want to work on Saturday.
Clerk, BTW.
A cleric is a member of the clergy (and typically the healer in an adventuring party)
Hmm yes but surely clerk is just a descendant of cleric right? It’s almost a contraction
It is actually!
Basically only the clergy could read and write, so they handled accounting and acted as scribes to nobles and the monarchy.
It split off in the like 600 years ago or so
LAY ON HANDS!
I was going to post the same thing. I cannot tell you the number of times I've misdated a document because I used a previous document as a template and forgot to check the date.
am i the only person who had the foresight to make blank templates? that autofilled the dates?
I would say "you'd be surprised" but you evidently are also a corpo or ex corpo, so... no, you wouldn't be.
Yeah, most of your (ex)coworkers are in fact devious, petty, self-centered idiots.
Yep.
time zone thing
really? what time zones did JEE fly across in his prison cell?
The they also changed the cause of death after they found Epstein in his cell
Fun fact: Anybody can type any date they want into Word. They could have dated it March 15, 44 B.C., since that string of characters isn't document meta-data. When I worked at a law firm, it was common to create a new document by opening an older file, editing it, and saving it as a new one. Quite possibly, the legal assistant edited an August 9th press release to create the draft, and forgot to change the date before saving. Further, this press release comes from the U.S. Attorney's office, which is a different location, with entirely different staff, from the corrections center. It would make exactly zero sense to get the U.S. Attorney, much less the legal assistants, in on a conspiracy. Keep the number of conspirators to a minimum; that's like Conspiracy 101.
There's are a lot of odd circumstances around his death, but as evidence of something fishy, this is super weak.
I agree. It’s not like they would leak that they would kill Epstein to the person drafting press releases…
i'm trying to remember, wasn't Barr running the US Attorney's office? or was it just the bureau of prisons and the entire rest of the department of justice?
American Government under budget and ahead of schedule for the first time in living memory and y'all are out here complaining.
Incredible.
Lmaooo as if anyone really doubted that he was killed... I mean come on people.
only the right wing msm was framing that way, so rebuplicans believe it. even his multiple assasination attempts were more than likely staged. its also a very PUTIN-LIKE MOVE, he stages false flags all the time to gian legitimacy, or a distraciton.
The only thing that makes me hesitate on that one is.. Trump or the Clinton's or whoever could have had him assassinated in prison, I don't believe they would have gone through the added effort of keeping him alive. He's gonna have a hard time sourcing kids now so why bother? Certainly not because any of the list of suspects values friendship or loyalty
Trump or the Clinton’s or whoever could have had him assassinated in prison
I'll never understand the theory that Hillary Clinton - a woman who hadn't held political office in over three years, had nothing personally to lose by Epstein yapping, and had no material contacts in the current federal government - managed to get this job done.
But Trump, the sitting President, with an upcoming reelection fight where he was underwater in the polls and surrounded by Epstein associates, was the guy who stood beyond repute.
Given the number of people Epstein touched, and the rank incompetency of both Trump and Clinton, I'd sooner put my money down on Thiel or Gates or even Prince Andrew as the mastermind. But dropping Clinton and Trump into the same lineup? Come on. One of them definitely had a bit more leverage with the fucking NY Prison Bureau.
I don't think they have any shame or fear of repercussions. At this stage, the law doesn't apply to them.
Of course not and it never did, the law is written by them.
Whoopsie
Assuming he is actually dead.
moved onto another epstein ilsand, possibly paid by mossad.
oh it's just a name. epstein island 2 is actually a peninsula
Damn conspiracy theorists... just because CCTV didn't have NTP enabled...
~/s~
Bill barr you fucking idiot. 😂
Multiple drafts. However the document metadata is shite.
I too already have a long message about Putin's death.
Yeah, can you get on with it please?
Not that i'd ever want to talk to him, but I wonder what he thought of death given his wealth, power, and apparent obsession with eugenics, and the fact that he was facing life imprisonment. I wonder if he evee even thought about how long he wanted to live or how he would go.