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After immigrants are detained by ICE, there are probably records somewhere of who has an attorney, and who is calling family members or an attorney.

For the immigrants who aren't calling any family or lawyers, the poorest of the poor, people with little to no connection to anyone, who may not even say which country they are from, if the administration were actually trying to kill as many disconnected immigrants as possible in secret, would society know?

For example, if the administration was composed of all types of conservative people, but 30 percent were secretly Nazis or wanted racial genocide, could there be a campaign to not just remove, but kill, immigrants, and the public doesn't find out?

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, in the same way most Germans didn't seem to know that the SS camps were death camps, it's very possible -- if not probable -- that these places are either death camps already, or going to become death camps very soon.

There's a reason that the administration is so cagey about allowing Democratic politicians in to see the facilities. The other thing is that concentration camps never start as explicit death camps, and the first casualties are always from things like lack of food and disease. Nothing about this suggests any differently.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

From what I heard, we had at least 1,300+ people at Alligator Alcatraz disappear, with lawyers and family unable to contact them. A rumor I heard, claimed that Musk had a Neuro-Link labaratory in Florida. I don't know if that is true, but that would be...possible. The Trump Regime certainly lacks the ethics, considering that it is covering for rapists, killers, and constantly lying. It isn't difficult to believe that killing people would be A-OK among MAGA's ranks.

I think it was Noem who joked about feeding the exact number of Latinos in the USA to the alligators. I am inclined to think it wasn't a joke.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

so far absolutely every joke of theirs turned out to be actions they did.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 103 points 3 days ago (16 children)

Possible, but highly unlikely.
For starters, if that many were killed, I think it'd be really hard to keep a lid on it these days.

Secondly, I've done a lot of reading on the atrocities of WW2, and two immediate constraints come to mind:

  • Bodies. While possible, disposing of that many bodies without anyone noticing will be really hard.
  • The gas chambers of ww2 were only planned during the Wannsee conference in 1942, long after the holocaust actually started. The gas chambers were built because the original plan was not sustainable: People killing other people at an industrial scale. No matter how vile a person is, the human mind was not built to deal with having to mow down swathes of humans with a gun. Even the worst SS troops largely couldn't deal with killing that many defenseless people, even if they were convinced it was "for the greater good". The amount of SS troops who ended up unable to continue due to the mental after effects is staggering.
[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'd like to add that these people are evil, but also monumentally stupid. If anything like that happened you could be sure that the perpetrators would brag about it on social media.

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[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The amount of SS troops who ended up unable to continue due to the mental after effects is staggering.

I'm interested to learn more about this, could you point me in the right direction?

[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 18 points 3 days ago (4 children)

It's not just the SS, the Wehrmacht also "suffered" from having to shoot all these people. Read up on Babij Jar, Ukraine. Even Himmler is on record expressing sympathy for his killers. That's why the bullet based plan turns into a gas based one. Because it's "easier" to flip a switch on a room full of people than to shoot naked people to fall on other corpses already in the ditch.

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[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

A lot of the times our hospital security show up to my deescalation classes after leaving a job in corrections. One of the things we often commiserate on is that they got into corrections and I into the state hospital to try and help other people grow and heal but what happened is that we got caught in a loop of "what am I going to see next that I'm going to have to report?" I'm now working for a psych unit in a regular hospital which still has it's flaws but none comparable to the state.

First you see a patient spit in the face of a staff member who has to be physically held back from hitting them (they actually told us we're allowed to restrain our coworkers if that happens), then you see a staff member get called racial slurs and they get up in the patients face and yell at them and you have to get between them and tell your coworker to take a walk but it's hard to get them to do that because it's 2am and there's no other techs on the unit and they know the nurse isn't gonna come out to help you before it's too late. And those reactions make sense and you wonder why they're packing you in with so many patients that your coworker can't just walk away. And then you see somebody posture and yell at a patient who's just all around rude but again it's 2am and you can't make it to 7 with just one tech.

And you also know that you're going to need to choose the moment that it's too much and that'll be the end. Because if you stay after that you become the "them" in the "us vs them" and one day you're going to face a violent patient at 2am and the tech who's with you will leave you alone with that patient because "I don't want you to report me too."

And if you're smart, you get out before it gets that far. One day a nurse asked me what I'd seen happen and I told them (truthfully) that I'd been at lunch and had no idea what they were talking about and they cut the conversation off. And I had no idea what patient or staff member it would've been about (as far as I could tell all of the patients were the same as before I'd gone to lunch) so I couldn't have reported anything anyway. But I had to ask myself if I had seen something what would I have been asked to cover up?

I said that to that hospital security worker coming from corrections and there was this instant look of recognition. Anybody who's worked corrections or for the state will tell me something similar happened to them, or worse. And I just... You either get out or something awful happens. I'm so grateful I was able to get out before I personally got pulled into something. You think you'll be able to be different but that system is just so much bigger than you. And it's not because I'm a better person it was luck. Part of it was luck that I had enough formal and informal education to know what was coming but some of it was pure grace of the universe luck.

And people who are outside of it living their happy lives will tell you they want a better system, but they will never truly be willing to put in the work needed to change it or even give you the resources to do it yourself. Like I'd been a patient at that state hospital previously and went back as a staff member to try and help and being a staff member was just so much worse somehow. I'm grateful that it gave me the experience to do what I do now and be an authority / teacher in the management of violent patients but it was hell while it was happening (I was also in therapy for other stuff at the time and was sooo fortunate to be given that opportunity to properly contextualize the experience as it was happening). No one who's never been through that will ever really understand.

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[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 40 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Does anyone know the whereabouts of any of the 1200 detainees at "Alligator ~~Alcatraz~~ Auschwitz", the prison camp that suddenly disappeared?

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

FYI: It was 1800.

Literally could not think of an easier spot than hundreds of miles of Everglades so I fear you might be right ☹️

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article312042943.html

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[–] moonshadow@slrpnk.net 16 points 3 days ago

This is what I came here to post, and no! There's ~50 billion in fresh funding burning a hole in ICE's pocket, purchase orders for camps very much including infrastructure for the handling of remains, and published quotas impossible to meet any other way though!

To be precise: there is no record of what happened to ~1600 of the "detainees" who went through that camp. They were booked in but not out. Not held, released, or deported. Just gone.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Despite the best efforts of the Biden administration, there were still more than 1000 children who were victims of Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller's Family Separation Policy who had not been reunited with their families, and likely never will be. I tried to find out what happened to those kids, and couldn't find anything, and nobody seems to be looking for them.

I suspect that the pretty ones have been sold into sex slavery, the compliant ones are house slaves, and the rest were sent on nature hikes in the Everglades.

And they're doing it all again. Splitting up families, and gathering the kids together. Few people have less ability to resist avarice than Trump. After his long, close friendship with Epstein, nobody is more aware of the fact that few products are as valuable among the wealthy as a pretty teenage girl, and without Epstein around, the International Oligarch Pedophile Circuit needs a new leader, and Trump is in the perfect position to supply as much product as the market demands.

I highly doubt he can resist the urge; he certainly hasn't shown any past inclination to reign in his worst impulses.

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[–] BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I think the real answer is worse. ICE is creating labor camps. Slavery.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

RFK said that autistic people like me shouldn't exist, and are useless to society. It was his announcement about making 'wellness' camps for my kind, that made me lock into resisting. I don't want to die a freedom fighter, but the alternative is to die as a slave or to be slaughtered for merely existing.

"...and then they came for me..."

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 20 points 3 days ago (12 children)

If they're prisoners, then slave labor is legal under the 13th Amendment. I think that's the ultimate outcome. Imagine how much more profitable American corporations could be with free labor, like before the Civil War.

We were supposed to be worried about Brown people taking our jobs, but we really have to be worried about Federally-managed slaves taking our jobs instead.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yet another thing about the Constitution that needs changing. The state shouldn't benefit from a prisoner class, otherwise it would be inclined to perpetuate incarceration.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah the 13th Amendment is easily the biggest problem in the Constitution. Everybody has pretty much ignored it, because it hasn't become much of an issue outside the prison world, but it is becoming apparent that MAGA intends to exploit the shit out of that monstrous loophole.

"Perpetuate incarceration?" These psychopaths are going to expand, corporatize, and monetize incarceration, and literally revive the American Slave Economy on a national scale.

Their dream is an entire national workforce that is 90% AI, robotics, or Federally-supplied slave labor (managed by a private, Trump-owned corporation, of course). Imagine how much more profitable corporations could be under such a system? Imagine how much wealthier they could get if labor was nearly free (although they'll still complain about costs, and demand government bail-outs, tax breaks, etc)? There is no possibility that the craven psychopaths can resist the lure of such riches. They have been moving toward this objective for decades, and now it within reach.

Of course, there will be a devastating Depression as millions PERMANENTLY lose their jobs (it won't bother the wealthy, they fly above all that), and with unemployment and homelessness deemed illegal, they will go straight to the work camps. Need government assistance to feed your family, now that you are permanently unemployed? All assistance recipients have to work off their debt to the government by residing in the work camps, where you will be leased out to a corporation to do whatever they tell you to do. You are a slave.

Once this slave-based economy is established, it will be impossible to turn it back, without crashing the economy AGAIN, launching another devastating Depression like the one that hit the South following the end of slavery.

And as an epilogue: What do you think will happen to the most recalcitrant of resistors, who refuse to cooperate with a slavery-backed economy and government? If you can't work, or won't work, you are an enemy of the state, and you will be eliminated, along with anyone close to you that you may have influenced. After a while, resistance evaporates.

And that how Trump and Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller are going to turn us into North Korea. Why do you think Trump loves them so much? He'd LOVE to be that guy, and slavery is the key.

[–] BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep. And if you think they will stop with brown people, Martin Nemoller might have a thing or two to say. Once our elections go full Russia they'll come door to door for the guns. Every dictator disarms the population. Every dictator has labor camps. Every dictator has death squads. They will have lists of agitators, enemies of the state, and domestic terrorists. Trump has already talked about depopulating the US by 100 million people.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this comment slid across an interrogation table at me one day.

You don't give up your gun when they show up and not only will they all get automatic weapon boners until you're dead, you will be labeled a domestic terrorist and family will be punished. You will be LUCKY if your loved ones simply get chained to a drone factory. Worst case?? Wives and daughters become comfort women.

Please.. please.. tell me I'm crazy and that this isn't the North Korea hellscape we're headed for.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They are already building Concentration Camps around the country, supposedly to temporarily house the immigrants they want to deport. But what happens to those Camps, and this wealthy, nearly untouchable agency when they've accomplished their immigration goals? Is it realistic to think that MAGA would surrender that power? Or will they expand it, and expand their mission?

Ita becoming clear that the ultimate goal is to create a population of slaves, which then can be forced to provide free labor for American corporations under the 13th amendment, boosting the economy and their profits, making their stock prices increase for those Sociopathic Oligarchs whose money is tied up in stock. Bringing back slavery is their ultimate goal, and the 13th Amendment gives that to them. They just need prisoners, and pretty soon, EVERYTHING will be illegal, and EVERYBODY is a potential criminal, and thus, a potential slave.

Trump has already talked about depopulating the US by 100 million people.

I'm pleased to see this, not a lot of people know about this, but he was actually saying that he had been speaking with Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller, and it was Peewee Himmler who said we should reduce the population TO 100 million people, and that they should look like him (God forbid). That would be about a 70% reduction in population from the current 335 million. It would be interesting to hear how PeeWee Himmler plans to accomplish his dream.

[–] BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think before this is nightmare is over we will be measuring death tolls in multiples of the Holocaust. It really is time to leave if you can. The midterm elections will be the fulcrum point. In November they will know if they ever have to worry any meeting voted out again.

It's literally the fucking Confederacy. The civil war never ended for them. They hid in plain sight for a century and a half. How many people know that the "GOP" stands for "Grand Old Party"? They stopped calling themselves Republicans 30 years ago. We all think this coup is a sudden thing. Yeah.. the frogs are just now feeling the water get hot.

The next step is punishment. Plain and simple.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago

I think you are 100% right on every count, especially about the Midterms being the "fulcrum point." Whatever happens in November, America will change greatly as a result, and it's future path will be set. If Democrats win, it will be the start of taking our country back, and crushing and purging MAGA from our government and our society. The American people will accept nothing less from our Democratic losers, I mean "leaders."

But if MAGA prevails, the future of America is going to be a giant prison slave labor force managed by a Trump corporation.

I'm getting old, and I have come around to the idea that my life may have a twist ending it wasn't expecting. In fact, I have come to believe that dying in my sleep as an old man would be a waste. If America goes full MAGA, and Democracy ends, I will not be cooperative.

I'm not going down in a blaze of glory, however. I have people very close to me that I love more than life, and they are members of very vulnerable groups that MAGA hates, and will eventually be on their hit lists. If ANYTHING were to happen to any of them, I'm going to become a very dangerous person indeed.

Again, I won't go down in a blaze of glory, I will be much more cautious and surgical about it. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Finally someone mentions the fucking loophole in the 13th Amendment. Slavery is still legal in the US. It's just illegal when anyone other than the prison-industrial complex does it.

https://www.buycott.com/campaign/companies/504/boycott-companies-that-use-prison-labor

CostCo, John Deere, and AT&T are all on this list.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago

CostCo does? That sucks!

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[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure the Nazis didn't kill most of their prisoners until people started noticing the slave camps. So that checks out.

[–] Matombo@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago

yes and no: part of the nazi plan was to kill the people by overworking them

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

US South has had slave labor camps defined as prisons for 100 years. Angola farm.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm not convinced that these people are organized and competent enough to kill people in that scale without people finding out.

That said, I am certain that a whole lot if people have been killed in custody and covered up, but I don't think it's on a scale like that.

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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Actively, no. But part of the camps is intentional neglect like thermal insulation in the housing, pack of blankets, poor material quality, pest infested bedding, no screens to stop mosquitoes, etc. The lack of protections means increased mortality and morbidity for the captured.

Since they currently house a few thousand in different centers the likelihood of a quarter of unreported dead is unlikely but not impossible. But they definitely have a short awful future which none affected deserve.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

In addition to the aspects you've mentioned, they also have a history of denying people necessary medications. A number of people have died as a result.

[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 24 points 3 days ago (9 children)

https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/25/men-lost-from-alligator-alcatraz/

Theoretically? No.

In reality it's already happening.

This is from ONE concentration camp. If they're moving people between these 'detention centers' and fudging the data or straight up not recording anything on where people are, then they can disappear who they want, and by the time their lawyers or family get visit approval it's already too late.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think this is probably happening too. They aren’t being transparent at all and they’re blocking any oversight by the few representatives that are trying to get access to the for profit death camps. I think it’s going to get way worse. All of our representatives are Israeli assets so it’s no coincidence that we’re starting to look like occupied Gaza.

[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I want to have enough faith in humanity to believe that someone inside those camps would leak this information if it were happening.

I want to

ICE has some reporting requirements that they are (Maybe? To some extent?) still following.

This tool was doing some collection for that: https://github.com/Open-Security-Mapping-Project/ice_detention_scraper

(Development has hit a bit of a snag recently unfortunately.)

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