Newly released files show that Epstein aimed to assist Ponomarev in Russia, believing he would replace Putin : worldnews

[–] Богданова@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I've been telling my LGBT friends, since like 2012, that the elite are using us and our movements to overthrow foreign governments and that decades later we're going to be suffering the consequences of that, that they're just going to throw us away like a wet paper towel, everyone thought I'm crazy.

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In Rednote, there was a post calling this tactic: "dialectical baiting".

Hopefully, now that things are laid bare, things will improve from now on.

[–] Comprehensive49@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Do you have a link to the original post? This is great!

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sure! Here it is http://xhslink.com/o/8smOPYaERUx

[–] prof_tincoa@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 4 days ago

Thank you, I enjoyed reading it

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

It really is another incredibly cynical exploitation of "human rights" causes for political gain. It's been in use for such a long time, westerners should have a much better immunity to this trick by now.

There's this lecture where Parenti talks about how the US media pretended to care about the anti-imperialist struggle of Cubans against Spain, and how it was just political cover for US imperialism in Cuba. I think about that a lot, and how there's this direct line from that moment in history to what the US media, NED, and all the other CIA cutouts do today.

[–] Богданова@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 5 days ago

It really all boils down to material reality reinforcing the systems that shape us. That's why Marxism was turned into an idea and anyone who doesn't fit into that ideas got demonized, it's genius really, but also horrifying. They got me by that too, it's why I'm so weak and have no material strength.

Realistically I either have to work with liberals and then use the power I get against them or I am reduced to irrelevance. I'm never going to get people on my side with ideas alone. I feel like such a fool honestly. Wish I had found about Parenti earlier.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

IIRC the brits were already using this exact shit against india, using caring for women (stopping the funeral burning thing, ostensibly) to do brutality.

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'm not very familiar with that, do you have some links or recommended reading you can share with me?

[–] huf@hexbear.net 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

i remember hearing it in a lecture by an indian professor on youtube, but i cant remember anything else... the account of the ban by the british on wikipedia smacks of white man's burden, which fits with what the indian professor said in that lecture.

edit: i mean, the brits banned the practice in 1829 and i'm sure they patted themselves on their backs for it, but remember what they were doing in india at the time. they definitely didnt give a shit about indians. listen to this smug british governor writing to some would be widow-burners:

Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs!

yes, very based, widow burning is terrible, but this is a british governor of an indian province, operating the orphan crushing machine on behalf of the british.

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well, it does track with the how and why of partitioning. Keep me in mind if you ever run across that lecture again.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

i think it might have been this guy: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy3KRgc0HE8C1aMDhtEX5np43SxhcjOTC

caveat: i dunno anything about him (or india, really) so he may be some kind of crank

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Whomst among us doesn't love a good crank ;)

[–] huf@hexbear.net 7 points 5 days ago

sure, but i'm saying he might be a principled anti-imperialist, he might be a well-meaning lib, or who knows. wiki says he's against US foreign policy and indian hindufascism, so that's 2 out of 2 correct opinions.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sati https://www.britannica.com/topic/suttee

Sorry I didn't see a non-western source.

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Thanks. I'm familiar with the practice, I was more interested in the (possible) history of it being abused as a human rights wedge issue by the British, as huf suggested.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 days ago

I can be misremembering, but it seems I recall widows being pressed into low-wage, labor-intensive work or..."other work" because they couldn't support themselves.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 5 days ago

Oh, well I don't remember all the details, and of course now everything online has been whitewashed, but I vaguely remember that.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

This loser is now sitting in Ukraine taking credit for SBU terror attacks inside Russia along with the so-called "Russian Volunteer Corps" (who are all Neonazis and wanted as criminals in Russia):

https://m.politnavigator.net/vlasovcy-ponomarjova-vzyali-na-sebya-terakt-sbu-v-pitere.html/amp

https://en.topwar.ru/212103-nahodjaschijsja-na-ukraine-jeks-deputat-gosdumy-inoagent-ponomarev-vyskazalsja-o-napadenii-terroristov-na-brjanskuju-oblast.html

Also, there is a ton of reporting - with witness testimonies - about the extent to which Ukraine, its government and its military (particularly the nationalist formations) are involved in human and organ trafficking.

Unfortunately most of that reporting is in Russian as the western media refuses to cover those sorts of stories (they used to do it a little before 2014, but now they all have gotten the order to cover up anything that reflects negatively on Ukraine).

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's pretty frustrating how western media won't touch this stuff, and you can't get libs to engage with anything coming out of Russian media. The really funny part here is that after nearly four years of the war, it's becoming clear that Russian media has been doing far more honest reporting this whole time. And it's not even because Russia has some moral superiority or higher media standards, it's just cause they don't need to lie. They can just lean on the actual historical facts for their propaganda.

After the war ends, Russia is going to be in a strong position geopolitically because they were forced to align themselves with the global majority, and became a pivotal force that broke western hegemony. And the west basically forced Russia into this role by continuously refusing to allow Russia to integrate with it after the fall of USSR.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And the west basically forced Russia into this role by continuously refusing to allow Russia to integrate with it after the fall of USSR.

I'm going to be pretty salty about this for some time. If the West would have invested an iota in the (former and current) communists of what we invested in the Nazis, our world would look very different, right now, and the prognosis not nearly as grim.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The problem is that the west is run by literal nazis. Once you realize that this is the case, everything starts making sense.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It feels like Inception; you think you've awoken only to find yourself awakening again, and again, and again.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

lol the rabbit hole goes deep

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 4 days ago

Aye. Perhaps I will sleep now to wake up on the side of the looking glass where there's tea, at least. Hopefully from liberty caps! I jest, I jest.

Goodnight, comrades.

[–] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 22 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Why r all the filees so shittily writte=?

[–] VladimirLimeMint@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago

It's IMAP syntax for soft line break

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

~~Dude was borderline illiterate~~ Epstein was a super-genius who made major innovations to the English language, particularly regarding punctuation.

Some of the formatting weirdness is probably from HTML->plain text conversion. I suspect that the random "=" that frequently appear might be from sloppy GPG decryption on the FBI's part?

[–] VladimirLimeMint@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's just IMAP soft line break FYI

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago

I hadn't thought of that. These aren't raw email though; so what did they use to retrieve them that failed to parse/strip basic imap commands? Seems even weirder.

[–] MinekPo1@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

so were the emails encrypted ?

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm curious about that myself. Seems like insanely bad opsec for someone associated with Mossad (to say the least) to just put all this out there on gmail servers in plaintext.

[–] MinekPo1@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

pretty sure saw some "sent from my IPhone" , which suggests apple mail , which only supports S/MIME encryption , same with "sent from my Samsung"/Samsung mail

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago

That's a good point. I've definitely seen some iPhone signatures in a number of the emails. Although, you can always copy-paste the encrypted text to/from any other tool. In which case -- and maybe I'm being too ungenerous here, two steps to compose or read an email does seem pretty complicated for people who can't write a coherent sentence.

[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The bourgeois literally pay people to think for them, im not surprised their interpersonal communications read so shitty

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago

I thought about that in another thread. When you know you're truly above the law, does it really matter? Anything nasty comes out you can blame drugs?

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Epstein was the same mental age of his victims

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That is kind of one theory of CSAs, that that is the age they were themselves abused. It seems to fit with certain cases, idk about all.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The counterargument is that because they were abused with little recourse at that age, they might see victims of that age as easy prey with minimal chance of being caught.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Some, certainly. After all, at the end of the day, abuse of any sort is a power play. But it takes far more power to control our own inner beasts, and sheer willpower ain't it.

At any rate, that theory can not be applied wholesale across the board, not any other, imo. What can be is that the abused either grow up to become abusers or victims or both, without deep reckoning and usually some sort of professional intervention. I suppose there are exceptions, but I've never met any, in 3D, despite much protestation to the contrary.

[–] Idliketothinkimsmart@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 5 days ago

I look up this ponomarev guy and of course there's articles as early as 2023 saying he was "anti-war" and putin is oppressing him. 🙄

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 5 days ago

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