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You know, firefox was a decent name all in all.. but can we stop naming browsers NounNoun?
LibreWolf
LadyBird
WaterFox
IronFox
IceRaven
IceCat
FireDragon
IceWeasel
SeaMonkey
SwiftFox
I get it, it's based on firefox^*^.
(^*^I didn't check that every one of those is based on firefox or even a browser, I just did a quick search of firefox alternatives to pad my list since i didn't have them memorized)
Out of those you listed, LibreWolf and SwiftFox are not NounNoun: they are AdjectiveNoun.
Fair enough.
- Netscape
- Internet Explorer
- Safari
- Opera
I'm sensing a trend here.....
How about we start going with verb adjective?
- Jump Big
- Shout More
- Deny Cute
If you use Firefox sync, do not sign in in LibreWolf. It will ruin your settings.
I use FF sync in LW to keep my desktop and laptop synced. Haven't had any issues, even when switching between Win10 and a few Linux distros.
edit - when I switched to LW I stopped syncing with FF entirely.
All of them? I noticed Firefox shit the bead in general.
I've been using Mullvad browser that was recommended for having the strongest anti-fingerprinting features. I would be interested in whether anyone has any idea how Mullvad browser and LibreWolf compare and which is "better" (or are they targeting different threat models?)
Edit: here's a resource in case anyone else is interested. Also one of my main privacy info sources (Techlore YouTube channel) recommends Mullvad (and LibreWolf too, but prefers Mullvad). I find less sites break with Mullvad compared to LibreWolf.
IMO they're no different in any practical way, but i don't have the technical knowledge to back up that assertion.
The type of security they offer is a trade off against convenience. I know I have to dial back libre wolf's aggressive privacy protections.
I still don't understand why people are recently switching away from Firefox. The telemetry thing seems totally overblown. The ads are absolutely minimal. It's great software.
It's been a steady exodus since less than a year ago when they removed the bit from their TOS about never selling your personal data and promising to protect your privacy.
I believe the recent surge has been the forced integration of AI features which are on by default (arguments were made to at least make them opt-in and not opt-out). Such features compromise privacy and security.
They're actively doing everything they can to monitize the consumer and going against their supposed stance as the 'privacy focused' browser.
A few things come to mind... for me the main reasons are:
- The new Mozilla CEO pushes AI into Firefox, and for now it seems that it will be an Opt-out procedure to get rid of it. As a software developer with a bit of technical knowledge about ML and LLMs I have a deep mistrust against C-Level types blabbering on about AI as our lord and savior.
- Mozilla is funded heavily by Google. Almost 85% of Mozilla's funds come from Search engine deals with Google. Google itself is one of the top 3 megacorps when it comes to surveillance capitalism, erosion of privacy and enshittification. You guessed it, that's not very trustworthy to me either.
- There are more reasons, but I'm not a fucking wikipedia. Look it up if you really want to know.
Also I think it is good to have a choice, especially in the browser market where Chrome, Edge (MS-flavoured Chrome) and Firefox are the only viable mainstream choices for most people. If you're happy with Firefox, good for you. But there are valid reasons not to be.
- So far it's just a tiny button in the bottom left corner that can be removed with two clicks. If it escalates then maybe I will worry.
- That's fair but at the same time, at least it's a funded OSS project?
I can agree that Firefox isn't always taking the perfectly moral stance on every issue, but I just don't yet see a deal breaker materializing in the browser itself.
I just like the added privacy that privacy focused browsers...focus on. Not that deep really.
Yep, this fork is the one I use frequently and now that Mozilla has become a pro-AI-slop company, fuck the stock Firefox browser it is now complete and utter absolute dogshit.
Anyone still using the stock Firefox browser and still complains about other things violating their privacy are premium morons.
Cannot say this enough fuck the corrupt Mozilla Corp paid and essentially owned by Google, with a Rentier CEO
Frequently?
So it's not your main browser of choice? What is your main browser and why use this one over that?
Just made the switch. Is there an easy way to import old Firefox profile locally? I obviously don't want to use Firefox Sync.
You can import history, bookmarks etc as CSV. Or do you mean something different with profile?
A firefox "profile" is a directory with all current user's data on disk. This includes history and bookmarks, but also saved settings, passwords, extensions, cache etc. I would like to not just copy all of that, but select specific things. But its ok to start with a clean browser with only bookmarks imported for now.
Another privacy-focused Firefox alternative is Phoenix, which prioritizes security, freedom, and usability.
Unlike Librewolf - which sometimes lags behind Firefox’s release cycle due to its small development team (consider supporting them!) -Phoenix operates as an overlay on your existing Firefox installation.
Key limitation: Phoenix does not support DRM-protected video, so streaming services are inaccessible.
...until they gain in popularity.
Then there will be another fork. I've been using LibreWolf for several months now and so far it's been pretty neat. But of course, that's a sample size of 1 person.
I've been using it for much longer, at least 1 or 2 years, I forgot. Pretty neat, and makes us a sample of 2.
I'm a third! Using fennec on android also good
I'm more of an IronFox person on mobile
Also an IronFox mobile enjoyer. No matter which fork, I don't know how I coped without having a functioning adblock on mobile before.
Fourth!
Been using Librewolf for a couple of years now across Linux and macOS and have no issues with it. Waterfox on my phone though.
Fifth sample and v happy about it
Moved recently. Likes it.
You think LibreWolf will sell out?
I think that's unlikely.
It's a soft fork as in it will never stand alone without updates from mozilla.
Pretty much just some config files and a build script that enables / disables flags for whatever features.
There are loads of other similar projects and many of them share the patches / configurations between them.
I don't think there's really much for them to monetise, honestly. Like their following is built on not being mozilla, if they become mozilla-lite then any number of other existing projects could fill their gap.
It's much more likely that Firefox UX just continues to deteriorate, maybe they will capitulate on Googles next attempt to force ads on everyone, maybe google will not renew their next revenue agreement.
Firefox and all it's soft forks are on a trajectory towards doom. Ladybird is our only hope, and it's not much of a hope IMO.