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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Police lie under oath, a lot

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South Florida cops claimed they were “forced to fire” at a 32-year-old Black man named Donald Taylor in August because he was armed and would not follow commands.

But newly surfaced video contradicts those claims, showing the Black man walking away from cops with his hands raised to his sides showing no gun in his hand when a Hollywood police officer fired a single shot as Taylor had his back turned to the cops, killing him.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 19 points 13 hours ago

ACAB.

And why I never get picked for juries.

[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago

I’ve seen many body cam videos and people don’t even get tased for kicking officers (even POC). Watching the video clearly shows the shooting was unjustified.

[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 22 points 23 hours ago

Rodney King SHOULD have been the last case

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 180 points 1 day ago (2 children)

When they're justified they release the body cam footage without needing to be asked. It's become my go to litmus test. Footage is missing? Camera was off? Camera was blocked? Yeah that's murder and they know the footage would show it.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"In general, signalling theory says that if you have a good way of proving something and a noisy way of proving something, and you choose the noisy way, that means chances are it's because you couldn't do the good way in the first place."

— Vitalik Buterin

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 5 points 15 hours ago

That's a great quote, and fits the context well

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 72 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Footage should be held by some independent 3rd party who will follow the rules on releasing it. It shouldn't be up to the cops.

[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We tried that when Biden was in office and all these new body cam laws were passed. So many cops threatened to quit, politicians backed down and let police unions retain control of the cameras and recordings.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Damn, I had no idea that happened. So fucked.

Edit: Also, I kinda feel like the ones who threatened the quit, were the ones we wanted to quit ...

[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Right there with you on that one. If I had it my way, I'd let them all quit, then divert funding from police to social workers and incorporate them into the first-responders network.

Of course, if I had it my way, police would also (at a minimum) have similar training requirements as EMTs, would belong to a union who answered to voters, not other cops, and a whole bunch of other changes to limit their power and militarization.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They wouldn't have quit. That would have impacted their pensions.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I've just been thinking on this more, that really would have been fascinating to see it play out.

I think you're right for any old timers. New people it's not a big an issue. I feel like there may have been a big lawsuit though over if that would be reasonable grounds to quit and keep the pension? It could be entirely baseless, I don't know know anything about that, but that feels like what would happen for those that did quit or wanted to quit?

The ensuing aftermath though would have been a very interesting watch.

Edit: the ensuing aftermath also including all the changes in police misconduct stats.

[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I say let most of the cops quit and put that funding into training social workers to be first responders to pretty much everything except armed robberies and up.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I think you'd need police for more than just that. Situations can change pretty quickly in a lot of circumstances, but definitely a lot of scenarios where you could send a social worker instead.

There could also be unarmed police like in the UK which would add some level of general deescalation from the start.

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[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 172 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Within days of the incident, the Hollywood Police Department began to release misleading statements about the murder, suggesting that the officer fired his weapon because Donald was armed.

Even their made up, post hoc explanation isn't a valid justification. How do the police constantly "forget" that in the most heavily armed nation in the world it's completely legal-and not uncommon-to be armed?

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[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

Am I reading this correctly? That if you comply they still unalive you?

Edit: every single reply to this comment is to inform me they don't like a word. Not one of them addresses the actual message of lethal compliance. If this were Facebook that would make sense but Lemmy isn't MAGA land so I'm a bit confused by all this boomer shaped deflection.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

From only this posted article, he didn’t comply. He was murdered for ignoring them

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

That has always been the case since I've been alive as a minority in America.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 40 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, when you comply they might still kill you

Having said that, please stop using that "special language" or whatever the hell it is that you're using

It's called killing murdering, etc. "unaliving" is just dumb and shouldn't be used in a normal conversation

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

Thank you for at least addressing the topic before attacking the language. I do actually appreciate it.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

You don't get to say what you want without other people being allowed to say what they want back.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 20 points 23 hours ago

A tiktok adult calling everyone a boomer who disagrees with their brainrot speech is pretty funny

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 87 points 1 day ago (25 children)

This isn't Facebook/some-other-shitty-corpo-social-media. You can say murder

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[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago

That if you comply they still unalive you?

There's a reason they are required to wear body cam. They're the same brood that harbored the KKK.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 12 points 1 day ago

lol, calling people complaining about you not speaking plainly "boomer".

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Correct. To cops, Floridians, and especially Floridian cops, black lives don’t matter.

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