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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 114 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I like the way Ted Chiang puts it:

Some might say that the output of large language models doesn’t look all that different from a human writer’s first draft, but, again, I think this is a superficial resemblance. Your first draft isn’t an unoriginal idea expressed clearly; it’s an original idea expressed poorly, and it is accompanied by your amorphous dissatisfaction, your awareness of the distance between what it says and what you want it to say. That’s what directs you during rewriting, and that’s one of the things lacking when you start with text generated by an A.I.

There’s nothing magical or mystical about writing, but it involves more than placing an existing document on an unreliable photocopier and pressing the Print button.

I think our materialist culture forgets that minds exist. The output from writing something is not just “the thing you wrote”, but also your thoughts about the thing you wrote.

[–] MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 64 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The dialog pushing AI media seems to start from this assumption that I consume media just to have colors and words and sounds enter my face holes. In fact, I consume art and media because I like hearing, seeing, and reading about how other humans experience the same world I do. It's a form of communication. I like the product but also the process of people trying to capture the bonkers, ineffable experience we all seem to be sharing in ways I would never think of, but can instantly verify.

What's funny is, due to the nature of media, it's kind of impossible to not communicate something, even if the artwork itself is empty. When I see AI media I see the communication of a mind that doesn't know or give a shit about any of this. So in their attempt make filler they are in fact making art about how inarticulate they are. It's unintentional, corporate dadaism.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 22 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Yes, this is it right here. The whole point of art is communication and connection with another human being.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not even necessarily a human being! I'd appreciate the fuck out of art if any species made it. But there must be more than uncaring, unfeeling, probabilistic interpretation of input data.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 points 3 days ago

Hell yeah, otherkin inclusive language

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[–] hikaru755@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

While I fully agree with you regarding my reasons to consume media, I'm not so sure if that's actually a majority opinion. I get the impression that for a lot of people, the point of consuming media is actually just entertainment, something to take your mind off other things, and they don't care about the communication and connection aspect.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago

The people pushing AI don't like like hearing, seeing, and reading about how other humans experience the world. They actually do just want flashing colors and sounds poured into their face holes. They're basically incapable of understanding art.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Your first draft isn't an unoriginal idea expressed clearly; it's an original idea expressed poorly

I like this a lot. I'm going to thieve it.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Tangentially related, the easiest way to come up with a unique and cool idea is to come up with a unique and dumb idea (which is way easier) and then work on it until it becomes cool. (Think how dumb some popular franchises concepts are if you take the raw idea out of context.)

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think the reason so many AI bros are conservative is that conservatives have historically had really bad taste in art/media, so they see the drivel AI creates and think, “oh wow, it looks just like what the artists make,” not realizing that they don’t have the eye to see what it’s missing.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Behind the Bastards had a different take. A lot of fascist movements get wierdly focussed on futurism and try to portray their movements as belonging in said future. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact episodes this was mentioned

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 48 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Tons of shit games are going to have lots of dialogue written by AI. It’s very likely that those games would have had shit dialogue anyway.

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 34 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Sure, but human-written shit still had that human touch. It could be unintentionally funny, it could be a mixed bag that reaches unexpected heights at times. AI writing is just the bland kind of bad, not the interesting kind of bad.

[–] SketchySeaBeast@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Great point. There's no opportunity for "so bad it's good". The Room wouldn't have been a thing if Tommy used AI.

[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You're absolutely right, Lisa!

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[–] treesapx@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

All your base are belong to us.

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[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It would probably have been less shit though.

[–] four@lemmy.zip 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It would probably just have been less dialogue

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 days ago

Which would be totally fine.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

They already said less shit.

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[–] Auth@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

More Larian Aura farming. Please take a break you're already full maxed out for community respect its actually getting unfair for other game developers.

[–] trslim@pawb.social 24 points 4 days ago (5 children)

AI is just a marketing term, there's nothing intelligent about it. Its simply Large Language Models, databases that predict what should go next. Its like asking the prediction bar when you are typing to write a story.

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[–] BaraCoded@literature.cafe 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Writer having toyed with AI, here : yeah, AI writing sucks. It is consensual and bland, never goes into unexpected territory, or completely fails to understand human nature.

So, we'd better stop calling AI "intelligence". It's text-prediction machine learning on steroïds, nothing more, and the fact that we're still calling that "intelligence" says how gullible we all are.

It's just another speculative bubble from the tech bros, as cryptos were, except this time the tech bros have made their nazi coming out.

[–] treesapx@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I remember reading a longer post on lemmy. The person was describing their slow realization that the political beliefs they were raised with were leading down a dark path. It was a process that took many years, and the story was full of little moments where cracks in his world view widened and the seed of doubt grew.

And someone who was bored/overwhelmed with having to read a post over three sentences long fed the story into AI to make a short summary. They then posted that summary as a "fixed your post, bro" moment. So basically all the humanity removed. Reminds me of that famous "If the Gettysburg Address were a PowerPoint" https://norvig.com/Gettysburg/

[–] ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca 6 points 4 days ago

Sounds like an interesting read, got a link to said post?

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[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 6 points 4 days ago

You can make it stylized dialogue but it's just surface mannerisms. Underneath it's still the same bland AI

[–] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Guy says robot can't replace him. News at 11.

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