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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 114 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I like the way Ted Chiang puts it:

Some might say that the output of large language models doesn’t look all that different from a human writer’s first draft, but, again, I think this is a superficial resemblance. Your first draft isn’t an unoriginal idea expressed clearly; it’s an original idea expressed poorly, and it is accompanied by your amorphous dissatisfaction, your awareness of the distance between what it says and what you want it to say. That’s what directs you during rewriting, and that’s one of the things lacking when you start with text generated by an A.I.

There’s nothing magical or mystical about writing, but it involves more than placing an existing document on an unreliable photocopier and pressing the Print button.

I think our materialist culture forgets that minds exist. The output from writing something is not just “the thing you wrote”, but also your thoughts about the thing you wrote.

[–] MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 64 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The dialog pushing AI media seems to start from this assumption that I consume media just to have colors and words and sounds enter my face holes. In fact, I consume art and media because I like hearing, seeing, and reading about how other humans experience the same world I do. It's a form of communication. I like the product but also the process of people trying to capture the bonkers, ineffable experience we all seem to be sharing in ways I would never think of, but can instantly verify.

What's funny is, due to the nature of media, it's kind of impossible to not communicate something, even if the artwork itself is empty. When I see AI media I see the communication of a mind that doesn't know or give a shit about any of this. So in their attempt make filler they are in fact making art about how inarticulate they are. It's unintentional, corporate dadaism.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 22 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Yes, this is it right here. The whole point of art is communication and connection with another human being.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not even necessarily a human being! I'd appreciate the fuck out of art if any species made it. But there must be more than uncaring, unfeeling, probabilistic interpretation of input data.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

The people pushing AI don't like like hearing, seeing, and reading about how other humans experience the world. They actually do just want flashing colors and sounds poured into their face holes. They're basically incapable of understanding art.

[–] hikaru755@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

While I fully agree with you regarding my reasons to consume media, I'm not so sure if that's actually a majority opinion. I get the impression that for a lot of people, the point of consuming media is actually just entertainment, something to take your mind off other things, and they don't care about the communication and connection aspect.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Your first draft isn't an unoriginal idea expressed clearly; it's an original idea expressed poorly

I like this a lot. I'm going to thieve it.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Tangentially related, the easiest way to come up with a unique and cool idea is to come up with a unique and dumb idea (which is way easier) and then work on it until it becomes cool. (Think how dumb some popular franchises concepts are if you take the raw idea out of context.)

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 48 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Tons of shit games are going to have lots of dialogue written by AI. It’s very likely that those games would have had shit dialogue anyway.

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 34 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Sure, but human-written shit still had that human touch. It could be unintentionally funny, it could be a mixed bag that reaches unexpected heights at times. AI writing is just the bland kind of bad, not the interesting kind of bad.

[–] SketchySeaBeast@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Great point. There's no opportunity for "so bad it's good". The Room wouldn't have been a thing if Tommy used AI.

[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You're absolutely right, Lisa!

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[–] treesapx@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

All your base are belong to us.

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[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It would probably have been less shit though.

[–] four@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It would probably just have been less dialogue

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago

Which would be totally fine.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

They already said less shit.

[–] Klear@quokk.au 3 points 3 weeks ago

Eh, we're talking about the bottom of the barrel here. I'm thinking there will be fewer typos, but also an occasional "as a LLM" slip-up, so about the same quality as before.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 42 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the reason so many AI bros are conservative is that conservatives have historically had really bad taste in art/media, so they see the drivel AI creates and think, “oh wow, it looks just like what the artists make,” not realizing that they don’t have the eye to see what it’s missing.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Behind the Bastards had a different take. A lot of fascist movements get wierdly focussed on futurism and try to portray their movements as belonging in said future. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact episodes this was mentioned

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[–] BaraCoded@literature.cafe 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Writer having toyed with AI, here : yeah, AI writing sucks. It is consensual and bland, never goes into unexpected territory, or completely fails to understand human nature.

So, we'd better stop calling AI "intelligence". It's text-prediction machine learning on steroïds, nothing more, and the fact that we're still calling that "intelligence" says how gullible we all are.

It's just another speculative bubble from the tech bros, as cryptos were, except this time the tech bros have made their nazi coming out.

[–] treesapx@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I remember reading a longer post on lemmy. The person was describing their slow realization that the political beliefs they were raised with were leading down a dark path. It was a process that took many years, and the story was full of little moments where cracks in his world view widened and the seed of doubt grew.

And someone who was bored/overwhelmed with having to read a post over three sentences long fed the story into AI to make a short summary. They then posted that summary as a "fixed your post, bro" moment. So basically all the humanity removed. Reminds me of that famous "If the Gettysburg Address were a PowerPoint" https://norvig.com/Gettysburg/

[–] ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds like an interesting read, got a link to said post?

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[–] trslim@pawb.social 24 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

AI is just a marketing term, there's nothing intelligent about it. Its simply Large Language Models, databases that predict what should go next. Its like asking the prediction bar when you are typing to write a story.

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[–] Auth@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

More Larian Aura farming. Please take a break you're already full maxed out for community respect its actually getting unfair for other game developers.

[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago

You can make it stylized dialogue but it's just surface mannerisms. Underneath it's still the same bland AI

[–] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Guy says robot can't replace him. News at 11.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean it can, 10% quality and units sold at 1% cost increases your profits by 10x

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Implying people are happy to buy the shit, which isn't likely, especially in a competitive environment.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

People buy AAA games all the time. Look at Starfield. Garbage game, still sold well.

[–] Mister_Feeny@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Starfield is estimated to have sold 3 millions copies. Baldur's gate 3, 15 million. Microsoft/Bethesda marketing budgets makes a difference, but not being garbage makes a much bigger difference.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

Well yeah, I'm not going to argue that a well made game that respects the player isn't going to do well. But that doesn't matter to the publishers and their shareholders when they can pump out AI slop garbage year after year and still have people that drink it up. Just look at the yearly shooters and sports games, they sell enough.

Besides, what happens when this sort of slop has been normalised? Look at the mobile market, no one bats an eye at the intensely predatory microtransactions, and you'll even find people defending things like gacha games.

There was a time where people scoffed at the notion of paying $2~ for some shitty cosmetics, but now people don't even blink at the idea. Hell, it's downright cheap in some cases. The AAA industry just has to slop things up for long enough for people to stop caring, because they will stop caring and then continue to shell out for the dubious privilege of guzzling their mediocre, uninspiring garbage.

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[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

Get your slop 'ere! Fresh from the data center!

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