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I'm just curious for the new or existing people? Lemmy.ml has taken a hard turn to the right since the reddit exodus. There's been a lot of pro-imperialist propaganda being posted on world news, and a lot less diversity of opinion. It feels more neoliberal and neo-con to me.

Does anyone want to share what their political leanings are?

I'll start; I'm anti-imperialist pro-state regulated capitalism. I believe we should have usage based taxes (toll roads, carbon tax) and luxury taxes, and I disagree with wealth taxes for people with less than $250 million. The state should spend more money on consumer protection in all industries (environment, health, finance, etc.) I believe in multipolarity vs. US hegemony.

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[โ€“] leanleft@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

fluid is good except that it also means easy for politicians to manipulate. and zero loyalty for longterm goals that require patience and sacrifice.

[โ€“] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

ML. Authleft enough that Libs will call me a Tankie.

[โ€“] Joe_0237@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm a libertarian, leftist, socialist, and I'm strongly against digital copyright, politics and patents. I believe in freedom and free competition, and government investment in education, technology, and quality of life.

Libertarian: People are overwhelmingly good, and freedom allows the good people to reliability outmenuver the bad. People should have every freedom in so far as they are not encroaching on the equal or greater freedoms of anyone else. No technology is inherently bad, tech in the hands all results in the victory of the good. A notable acception is weapons of mass destruction, as any use against any population is very bad morally. In general when tech is outlawed the good loose the ability to use it against the bad or for the betterment of humanity, and the bad maintain access and use it against the good. When only the bad guys have Drugs, Encryption, Guns, The internet, etc ... the society is much worse off for it.

Leftist: When governments invest tax money into the common good of the people, via things like education, technology, and quality of life, then societies are healther, wealthier, more innovative, and the people are happier for it. No one wants to be homeless, sick, or stupid, or to be surrounded by people who are. Government investment stimulates the economy, and if money is spent domestically it lands right back in the pockets of working tax payers.

Socialist: When workers own stake in the companiess they work for, companies act in the interest of the workers (socialism). When companies are owned by investors, they act in the interst of the investors, usually against the interest of workers (capitalism). When companies act in the interst of the workers, wages are higher, workers are more free, and cost of living is lower. The people are happier. Governments does not need to be so big to keep the peace like they do today.

Digital copyright: the belief in the lie that copying and or improving upon an ethereal digital resource constitutes theft, is a massive detriment to society. It is clearly false because no one looses anything. It is defended by perpetuating the fear that it it would be harder to profit if information was free. It would be a different world, but you can still make a profit through art on a physical medium, and in other ways. The lie is used to justify unjust control of software vendors over their customers, and to justify fake sales in which the physical computer hardware is sold but the ability to actually control it is not part of the sale. And sales where a book or movie is sold, but the user is never given the copy they purchased. It is also used to deprive the poor access to educational material, and to justify the destruction of cultural archives for future generations.

Politics: Politicians are lower quality than ordinary people, because they are the people who wanted to rule, not the people who understand the impact of positive and negative of every singe decision. A monarchy has better chances of honest leadership because the quality if the monarch is random, instead of picked by might of advertising dollars out of a list of the worst people. The way to make a real good government involves a little lotocracy and a little meritocracy. My vision in short: a console, selected at random from the population, chooses qualification criteria for voting on a proposition, and a console is selected at random from the qualified public to make a decision.

Pattents: A temporary government issued monopoly on a process or mechanism. Patents were the single worst lapse in logic of our society, they are anticompetitive and slow innovation (the incredibly successful free software community, operating on very little time and money, is a glimpse of what a patenless society could be). A free market cannot coexist with patents. Arguments for pattens boil down to, if i invest as though i have patent protection from competition and i don't have it, my investment won't pan out. In a society without patents, companies build and improve on each others work, making R&D cheaper and faster. Sure, billion dollar research investments would not pan out, but they would also be completely unnecessary, because starting from scratch or waiting a decade would not be required to participate in innovation.

[โ€“] Methylman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Whats the solution to the issue small startups would face w.o patents when the mega-corps just take their innovation and package it differently?

[โ€“] Joe_0237@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Don't detail exactly what the innovation is before its ready to sell, it takes time to get something into a product and to get that product into production. Name recognition is everything, for some time the small starup is the name of the innovation, and that recognition does not just vanish. Other companies have built comparable or beter electric cars by now, but you know who im talking about when i say that electric car company.

Alternateivly copy something a large corporation is doing, or better yet, build on something they are doing.

Also employee owned companies tend not to aggressively expand. And governments need to break up the kind of company that is large enough to destroy all competition. That leads me to another opinion, buying another company should not be allowed in a capitalist economy, because that only ever makes the market less free.

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[โ€“] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, some good points there. I totally agree about the problems with meaningful political discourse. I honestly believe most people don't want to have a discussion on things, they just want to post their take and then feel validated by people up voting them. Add in bots and trolls, and political discussion just generally doesn't work on platforms like this (or most of the internet at large).

[โ€“] RedCanasta@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Communist, everything else still worships money.

[โ€“] pancake@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I'm a Marxist-Leninist, member of an organized group.

I believe countries try to shape and weaponize citizens' opinions about other countries, so I refuse to defend or criticize them unless I can argue that doing so is beneficial to my ideas (i.e., not based on feelings or ethics). Thus, I'm neutral towards most countries and defend multipolarity.

I tend to doubt my ideas as much as I can.

[โ€“] Binzy_Boi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Libertarian Socialist, though I might be a bit further left than that considering some of the ideas I have. I just find myself agreeing with Kyle Kulinski a lot since he seems to be the most agreeable and honest political commentator I know, and I've found other good channels through word of mouth from him.

[โ€“] CMDR_Horn@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I have many things to say, but I just can't bring myself to discuss it in a public forum anymore. It's not that I expect that I'd be on the opposite side of a lot of people so I'd be flamed and shut down. In truth I find myself fairly middle of the road, but politics has become so polarized and hate filled that I'm more saddened for the future than anything else. I worry for what world my kids will inherit from my generation. I have hope though for genZ they seem to fully get behind the concept of FAFO. I just want them to start voting before it's too late.

[โ€“] PostalDude@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

OK, here goes.

want a free market state with little to no taxes for everyone. People build and make things because they want/need to not because a government told them. While I hate big government I do believe we need a small (and I'm talking very small) one to make sure there is order and to break up any monopolies.

I believe every facet of the economy should be privatized as doing so will help increase competition in that market that didnt exsist before.

While I hear a lot of people saying "but what about healthcare being through the roof!?" Keep in mind that its the drug manufacturers that's keeping prices this high, and there is no competition in that market as its basically a duopoly. They hold all the patents for the drugs they sell and removing control over them, will allow cheaper products to be made and thus, a cheaper more affordable healthcare system will be developed!

EBay I feel is the closest to a free market site that we have today. People just putting what they own up for sale and the consumer decideds if they want it for that price or not. If not they most likely have other more cheaper options.

Sorry for the wall of text but I wanted to get all of it out. There's still more I'd love to discusse if you are interested!

[โ€“] Joe_0237@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Taxes spent well make a society more wealthy, the money in its use can produce knowledge, stimulate innovation, and get people educated. Then, even when its wasted, its not like its thrown in a fire, it goes into the economy and lands back in the pockets of the working people who paid the taxes to begin with.

I'm some kind of lefty social anarcho-pacifist.

$capitalism != $freedom.

[โ€“] WeLoveCastingSpelz@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Anarcho communism I think neither corporations nor the state works gor the people

[โ€“] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Bloody peasant!

[โ€“] ccunix@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Mainly socialist with a healthy dose of libertarianism.

I personally will do what I can to help those less fortunate. I tithe to a collection of charities for example. However, I just saw an advert from government telling me to wear a seat belt and just thought "I know! leave me the hell alone".

I think every person should have food, water, and shelter at the very least. Nobody should need to do anything for these basic necessities of life.

I always thought this was a common thought but no, this apparently is a far left radical ideology. People should starve on the street unless they provide value to a capitalist is actually the common thought.

[โ€“] howdy@thesimplecorner.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Some of my friends think I'm an idealist but I'd argue that's the point. I vote for whatever would allow us to get to the Star Trek: TNG version of earth. A Post Scarcity society where humans want to better themselves and their communities through each individuals pursuit of their interests unrestricted by any "system". To get there, I care about improving the lives of the entirety of humanity equally while doing away with the disparity inequality we see. It is undoubtedly true capitalism did raise the average QOL of many many people of the entire world, however, others it put into modern slavery.

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I'm progressive on economic policy, and libertarian on social values. I support things like universal healthcare and ubi. I also support decriminalizing all drugs and legal prostitution.

[โ€“] nychtelios@rlyeh.icu 1 points 2 years ago

My political compass classifies me as an extreme libleft, sooo...

[โ€“] Skooshjones@vlemmy.net 1 points 2 years ago

Left wing market anarchist is the closest summary of my general views.

Left wing economically and socially. I believe strongly in workers rights, collective control over production and labor practices. All people have dignity and should be treated with a base level of care and concern, even if they have done horrific things. I am very supportive of LGBT+ folks and any marginalized or underprivileged groups.

Market because I am not against markets or money. I think they are tools that can greatly aid society if used correctly. I am strongly anti-capitalist, which is a economic and social philosophy that uses money and markets in ways that are inherently oppressive and exploitive.

Anarchist because I am anti-state. Monopolization of power and resources, especially in a capitalist society, only ever result in oppression, even if supposedly "of/for the people."

[โ€“] loutr@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

About the same as you, but I'd place the wealth tax limit far lower, like 10M. Plus strong anti-trust/monopoly/competitive laws.

[โ€“] SapphicFemme@lib.lgbt 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Anticapitalist and socialist, but not straightup communist. Everyone deserves free healthcare, mental healthcare, water, food, electricity, internet, education and housing

[โ€“] MrComradeTaco@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Communist agnostic fundamentalist neo-protestant

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