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Capital i and lowercase L look the same in pretty much any sans-serif computer font
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lI IL
this post was submitted on 08 Jan 2026
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I'm sorry for you Ioss. Was it caused by poor font design?
~~.:|:;~~
Is this IOS?
No, this is sans-serif
in that case it's 1 2 2 49, which i prefer over a single L.
Not sure what you’re talking about
People named Al are not necessarily artificially intelligent.
but they could be weird
One of them calls me Betty.
I can be your long lost pal
As a job title: sysadmin
Loathe.
Every now and then there crops up the situation where there is no copy/paste from host to host. And when that involves a fucking product key or some shit... Mother fuckers just base 58 that shit.
What would you rather read and type?
Product key: "I dont fucking know lots of lllllIIIIIIlllIII etc"
Or...
Product key: "CqiDNKttsj1NUubpbVJ2VJL9eMEpRvRFMV3hNPRxtUX7SMox5UQjeEZX3DqqHNAfkSE"
I rest my case.
Please enter your serial number…
One? Ell? Eye? Zero? Oh? Vee Vee Double-U?
Mother fuckers just base 58 that shit.
I'm assuming that this is the point you're making, but just to clarify:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base32
The most widely used[citation needed] base32 alphabet is defined in RFC 4648 §6 and the earlier RFC 3548 (2003). The scheme was originally designed in 2000 by John Myers for SASL/GSSAPI.[2] It uses an alphabet of A–Z, followed by 2–7. The digits 0, 1 and 8 are skipped due to their similarity with the letters O, I and B (thus "2" has a decimal value of 26).
This is generally considered to be a preferable encoding for things like this.
Yeah... No
I didn’t mean RFC Base32.
I meant human-safe alphabets.
Base58 or Crockford Base32 that intentionally remove I, L, O, and 1 (which is distinct from "base 32").
RFC Base32 still hits the exact problem I’m ranting about.
To be clear the (vanilla) base32 version of the aforementioned string:
"I dont fucking know lots of lllllIIIIIIlllIII etc"
Outputs:
"JEQGI33OOQQGM5LDNNUW4ZZANNXG65ZANRXXI4ZAN5TCA3DMNRWGYSKJJFEUSSLMNRWESSKJEBSXIYY="
You can use cyberchef to check for yourself.
This does not solve the problem.
I meant what I'd said: base 58.
In French, il has always looked a bit weird when typed at the beginning of a sentence.
Il y a un I suivi d'un l.
Like "O" and "0" in some fonts. The O is slightly fatter.
In the case of Il, the l is slightly taller. Don't get me started on |.
One reason why they were called grotesque in their early days.
I hate this so much. There are plenty of aesthetically pleasing ways to avoid it. Windows 8 was particularly bad, my recollection was they literally looked exactly the same there, no difference at all. Luckily I only had to use it for a very brief unpaid internship.
That is very irritating. Hope you eventually get the chance to use a font that passes the i-l-1 (eye-ell-one) test.
How about the Greek question mark: ; I still need to find an opportune moment to prank some collegues with that one.
i L
L i
Capital i is slightly taller than lowercase L.
Other way around friend capital i is still shorter than lowercase L
Il=iL lI=Li
That's stupid, the capital letter should be taller than the lowercase; and yet that's how it is in almost every font!
I agree that the uppercase I should be larger than the lowercase L, but i disagree that that’s how most fonts do it.
I was saying "that" is how it is.
Other way around friend capital i is still shorter than lowercase L
This is that. I was referring to the previous comment when I said "that", so I agree with you.
Oh, I misread your comment.
I can’t be arsed to change the font.
Others just set a DIN 1451 font such as the widely available Bahnschrift and have nothing to complain about.
lmL
reaIIy?