I believe that would be the objective.
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I can visualise the flecks of saliva on his lips as he imagines the end of NATO and the subsumption of Europe into a Moscow-based authoritarian oligarchy run by his paymasters, and the dachas and yachts he could stand to buy when it happens.
Trump or Farage?
Trump and Trumpette.
Turns out the biggest threat to NATO was internal and not external
I think Farage is a stupid piece of shit, and I personally think NATO can and should respond to Trump's invasion with discriminate force. If the USA attacks then NATO must occupy the USA.
I don't think NATO is going to occupy the USA. Maybe one measure that could be taken, if the US invades Greenland, would be to kick the US out of NATO. Then NATO can focus on protecting Europe, as well as Canada if they still want to be in it.
Thats a stupid fucking idea. Trump and his Russian superiors want the USA out of NATO, weakening NATO is moronic.
NATO invading the USA will find tons of support when they get here, it's the only viable option which doesn't cripple the defence of democratic nations around the world.
So even if the US invades Greenland, you want the US to stay in NATO? Also surely Europe should invest in increasing its independence from the US, given that the US is unreliable.
NATO invading the USA will find tons of support when they get here
Some Americans might support it, but I don't think it would happen. All the other NATO countries would not want to get into a conflict with the US.
If the USA invades a NATO member then, in an ideal world, first NATO will invade the USA and hold those responsible accountable, then allow the USA to reorganize its leadership and start paying reparations. During this process, if another nation such as Russia or China attacks a NATO member, then the USA will have the responsibility to wage war on that person as well.
The USA's defence spending dwarfs any other country on earth. NATO instantly loses a third of its capabilities the moment the USA withdraws, it can never be allowed.
Countries choosing not to fight when NATO articles are filed would defeat the purpose of NATO and exclude their nation from any future defence, on top of just being morally wrong.
I wish the US would be held accountable to the same rules as every other country, but I don't think what you describe would happen. I don't think anybody wants to invade the US when the US has the most powerful military on the planet.
As for NATO losing capabilities if the US leaves, sure. But it looks like the US doesn't really care about helping defend Europe anyway. Maybe at some point Europe will just have to focus on its own defence without the US. You say it would be "morally wrong" if a NATO country (e.g. the US) wouldn't fulfil its NATO commitments. Do we think Trump cares about morals though?
USA is about a third of NATO capability, and war with them would be inevitable if they fell into dictatorship and started expanding.
It is not a question of if NATO responds but when, and the sooner the better.
I guess we're now going to see what will happen given the Greenland situation. Of course I don't want the US to be a dictatorship, and I don't want them to start expanding against international law. But I don't think the rest of NATO is going to militarily fight the US. The US obviously would have a much stronger hand in any conflict so a conflict would surely be pointless. Death and destruction for no gain, since the US would win anyway.
Perhaps more likely, if the US does invade Greenland, is that NATO in its current form would break up. A Republican congressman has said this sort of thing: "for [Trump] to militarily invade [Greenland] would... end up abolishing Nato as we know it".
Choosing not to fight them immediately would be choosing to fight them later on when in an even worse situation.
Not necessarily. Hopefully a more sensible US president will be elected in 2028, who won't be so hostile to the rest of NATO.
NATO doesn't have a military. NATO has member countries with militaries. None of the NATO member countries have the expeditionary capability to invade and occupy the US. That's before we bring in the nuclear risk.
Lmao this bro's never even heard of France alone. To put things into perspective France has the second largest Navy on earth, second only to the USA, even bigger than Russia or China's individual naval capabilities, and them being a part of NATO allows the less mobile troops and equipment of other nations across the Atlantic. Even then, the UK has comparable capabilities over sea and air.
I don't think even the US could invade and occupy the US. If all of NATO (including the US somehow) attempted to invade and occupy the US, it wouldn't work. The US is too big. The US military is too powerful. Sustained operations that far from home is logistically difficult.
The entirety of the USA doesn't need to be occupied, federal leadership is concentrated in one location. Trump's too incompetent to lead the nation from elsewhere if he fled D.C. and the nation is already split 46:54 against him which would plummet if he got our ass invaded by our own allies.
They basically could lock down New York and it would be over quickly, if the USA didn't depose Trump and surrender before then.
I think you're overestimating how much support there would be for the invasion. I think even the Trump haters would not be in favor of a foreign military taking over.
I'm the Trump haters in the USA
I would not only be in favor of NATO occupying DC, I would provide support on the ground to help them accomplish it, fight alongside them if they asked me to, and I expect a large portion of the US Military might as well because we've been training and coordinating with our fellow NATO members for more than a lifetime.
Perhaps an anonymous poll would be appreciated on this matter, but we're talking about better happier countries cooperating to end war and suffering, it's not like we're asking some foreign dictatorship like China to invade us.
I'm also a Trump hater in the USA and I wouldn't support it. I don't think a military occupation is a good start to a bright future, even when compared to US fascism. Militarism and imposing your will through force are not suddenly better because the leader drinks wine.
I mean, as Putin's puppet, isn't that the end goal?
It's wishful thinking. I bet what really keeps him up at night is the end of Russian money when they become a Chinese vassal state.
I reckon it's still in China's favour to bankroll the european far-right pro fossil-fuel shenanigans.
It gave them a phenomenal advantage in the green market, right as the US was positioning itself to have a headstart in it
Probably right. Enthusiasm curbed 🙃
Putin: "That's the point."
Trump: That's the point.
I dont think that is the threat to trump that he believes it is.
It won't be the end. Even though that is what Trump, Putin and Farage are after.
We'd jump to the defense of Greenland as per our NATO contract. Even if it is an other NATO member that is doing the invading.
We'll maybe throw the US out of it, but that is about it.
Remember it's not only NATO that has an article 5. EU member states have similar obligations. To come to the defence of a member state being attacked.
If the US invades Greenland and Denmark says help.... Do you think Poland is going to go against the US when it desperately wants US protection from Russia? Or Hungary?
Nevermind the end of NATO. This could be the end of the EU!
I hope you are right, but I can see other members of nato wanting to kiss trump ass and stay out of the conflit...
It might be the end of NATO, but there would be a NATO with blackjack and hookers and no Trump springing up immediately in it's place.