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this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.

liberals like to decorate themselves with the nimbus of morality but when it comes to stepping up to fascism and protesting even if it's not like a fun parade but serious and uncomfortable. Or just if the weather is bad.

Or when it comes to being self critical about your own learned patterns of behavior and thinking.. they are nowhere to be seen, not to be relied on and it does real damage, as we can see.

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[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 minutes ago

I always return the shopping cart to the proper place.

[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Like how France Italy and Greece didn't arrest Netanyahu when he flew over their airspace.

They don't really believe in upholding the international law

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

Combat LiberalismWe stand for active ideological struggle because it is the weapon for ensuring unity within the Party and the revolutionary organizations in the interest of our fight. Every Communist and revolutionary should take up this weapon.

But liberalism rejects ideological struggle and stands for unprincipled peace, thus giving rise to a decadent, Philistine attitude and bringing about political degeneration in certain units and individuals in the Party and the revolutionary organizations.

Liberalism manifests itself in various ways.

To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.

To indulge in irresponsible criticism in private instead of actively putting forward one's suggestions to the organization. To say nothing to people to their faces but to gossip behind their backs, or to say nothing at a meeting but to gossip afterwards. To show no regard at all for the principles of collective life but to follow one's own inclination. This is a second type.

To let things drift if they do not affect one personally; to say as little as possible while knowing perfectly well what is wrong, to be worldly wise and play safe and seek only to avoid blame. This is a third type.

Not to obey orders but to give pride of place to one's own opinions. To demand special consideration from the organization but to reject its discipline. This is a fourth type.

To indulge in personal attacks, pick quarrels, vent personal spite or seek revenge instead of entering into an argument and struggling against incorrect views for the sake of unity or progress or getting the work done properly. This is a fifth type.

To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type.

To be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a Communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-Communist. This is a seventh type.

To see someone harming the interests of the masses and yet not feel indignant, or dissuade or stop him or reason with him, but to allow him to continue. This is an eighth type.

To work half-heartedly without a definite plan or direction; to work perfunctorily and muddle along--"So long as one remains a monk, one goes on tolling the bell." This is a ninth type.

To regard oneself as having rendered great service to the revolution, to pride oneself on being a veteran, to disdain minor assignments while being quite unequal to major tasks, to be slipshod in work and slack in study. This is a tenth type.

To be aware of one's own mistakes and yet make no attempt to correct them, taking a liberal attitude towards oneself. This is an eleventh type.

We could name more. But these eleven are the principal types.

They are all manifestations of liberalism.

Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension. It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency.

Liberalism stems from petty-bourgeois selfishness, it places personal interests first and the interests of the revolution second, and this gives rise to ideological, political and organizational liberalism.

People who are liberals look upon the principles of Marxism as abstract dogma. They approve of Marxism, but are not prepared to practice it or to practice it in full; they are not prepared to replace their liberalism by Marxism. These people have their Marxism, but they have their liberalism as well--they talk Marxism but practice liberalism; they apply Marxism to others but liberalism to themselves. They keep both kinds of goods in stock and find a use for each. This is how the minds of certain people work.

Liberalism is a manifestation of opportunism and conflicts fundamentally with Marxism. It is negative and objectively has the effect of helping the enemy; that is why the enemy welcomes its preservation in our midst. Such being its nature, there should be no place for it in the ranks of the revolution.

We must use Marxism, which is positive in spirit, to overcome liberalism, which is negative. A Communist should have largeness of mind and he should be staunch and active, looking upon the interests of the revolution as his very life and subordinating his personal interests to those of the revolution; always and everywhere he should adhere to principle and wage a tireless struggle against all incorrect ideas and actions, so as to consolidate the collective life of the Party and strengthen the ties between the Party and the masses; he should be more concerned about the Party and the masses than about any private person, and more concerned about others than about himself. Only thus can he be considered a Communist.

All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.

Admittedly I am not there yet. I trying to balance being principled and not being insufferable to most people

[–] WereHacker@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago

I'm one of those leftists. Or rather socialists if we are going to get theoretical about it.

I am here to tell you that you are wrong. Socialists and liberals even share values. Where we break is not on indiviual morality. It is on principles of universial equality. But most importantly socialists see structural causes for inequality. And collective action as the only way out of it.

While worldview have a tendency to govern individual action, so does socio-economic situation and background and a lot of lesser factors.

Ideology or even organisation doesn't make individuals act less shitty, hopefully esducation does.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 21 points 8 hours ago

Lot of wanking going on here. Is this a fetish?

[–] data_science_rocks@scribe.disroot.org 32 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You're on a giant fucking high horse.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@piefed.world 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's what sets leftists apart from liberals.

[–] starik@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

We’ve got too many people thinking they live in a fucking movie

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

It's just like that one movie

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Hey uh show of hands:

How many people have actually worked at something like a homeless shelter, non profit assisting some kind of class or classes of disadvantaged individuals?

How many people here actually just give cash to homeless people when they ask for it, which is the most efficient and effective way to help them?

How many of you have actually given a homeless person a place to stay, or maybe just park their car, whatever, with conditions and time limits of course, but to try and actually give them some kind of stability, at least for a bit?

How many people have organized or joined a local union, tenants union, worked for a tenants rights organization, mutual aid group, etc?

How many of you even help out your neighbors with things from time to time, or even talk to them?

Help drive them to some doctor appointment or grocery trip, do a carpool?

Howabout supporting or organizing some kind of local co-op, that actually gives voting rights as to business decisions, to members, in some capacity?

Those, those are the kinds of things that you would be doing if you actually acted out the virtues of being a leftist.

I've unironically met slum lords who've done more praxis by at least offering people somewhere to live, little to no questions asked, for an affordable price, than most self-described leftists I encounter.

Please, please don't ever mistake some kind of pristinely articulated, immaculate worldview, for actually doing anything useful in terms of being the change you want to see in the world.

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I've unironically met slum lords who've done more praxis... than most self-described leftists I encounter.

This is wild to me, bc I've never met a leftist who doesn't do several of the things you listed. Where are you encountering these self-described leftists? How do you know that they aren't doing praxis?

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

Mostly Seattle.

How do I know?

They were my friends, and their friends of my friends, untill they started giving me shit for... actually doing something like half the things I listed out above.

They were more interested in their IG profiles and Twitter reputations, whole lot of rainbow flavored idpol.

I was being 'unrealistic' and 'ridiculous' by actually doing things. I'd ask what they were doing, and well that question was rude, actually.

See, anybody can call themselves a leftist, make all the mouth noises, use it as a way to be smug and superior, and just... not actually be one.

I'm not saying 'all leftists are fake untill they personally prove otherwise to me.'

That indeed would be a rather silly standard.

Thats why I asked ... questions, and didn't make much of a statement beyond the actual point of this original post; your values are exemplified bynwhat you do, talk is cheap.

Maybe I've just had a bad run of fake friends comapred to most?

My personal experience isn't exactly a statistically valid unbiased survey, but it is my experience.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 24 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

I don't agree with the last bit. What you do is what you are. But the rest is good.

To quote Chidi from the good place:

Well, principles aren't principles when you pick and choose when you're going to follow them.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 1 points 5 hours ago

I miss mister Adagonye!

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It is literally saying that your values are what you do even when no one is watching, meaning not picking and choosing/

[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If you need to clear your nose out, then when other people aren't watching you might well be picking ...

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Or wiping my ass, which I don't do in front of other people either. It isn't referring to every literal thing we do.

The context is about whether someone does the right thing when not being watched. As on their virtues aren't just performative.

[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I was specifically making a wordplay joke about the word "picking" ... never mind.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 1 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

It doesn't really work in the context as written, but now I see what you are going for. If you had gone with '...choosing to be picking' I probably would have caught it.

[–] kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago

I'm reading it as your values determine what you do, what you do determines who you are

[–] starik@lemmy.zip 38 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I wish reading platitudes could make me feel superior to others

[–] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 56 minutes ago

What? It's a common saying.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I have the perfect quote for you:

this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.

Obviously I am making a bit of a joke on TOs cost here. Should be no problem for TO after making such broad statements.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] starik@lemmy.zip 1 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

That’s not IO

[–] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 7 hours ago

In Anthropology, it's called the Observer Effect. It's a simple premise that people act differently when they know they're being watched.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Most people dont have consistent morals that they live to. For most people they just do whats moral most of the time and thats good enough for them. There is a serious lack of self awareness in reading this post and thinking it applies to you.

this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.

Tsk tsks, politicking on a meme sub for shame. Anyway leftists on this site are a joke. Half the "leftists" on this site say they want socialism and then go on to describe 1:1 the current liberal society that they live in. The other half are indistinguishable from neo nazi's. Reminder that while Liberals were defeating fascism in WW2 leftists joined them.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You mean the guys selling weapons to Nazis until they realised the communists were winning?

[–] starik@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

Before Pearl Harbor, the U.S. was officially neutral but provided significant support to allies, particularly through the Lend-Lease program, which aided countries like Britain and China. The U.S. also imposed trade restrictions on Japan and increased military preparedness as tensions escalated globally.

That, and the how many of your political opponents you murder and imprison once you've consolidated power. Potato potahto, really.

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 5 points 9 hours ago

Well there is a certain point where most people's morals are going to fail. What sets people apart is where that point is.