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My old boss says she rather risk her life riding a weemo taxi than take a Uber.
When asked why, she said that an Uber driver dropped her off at home, after about 15 minutes, then Uber driver was still messaging her. She ignored it. After 15 minutes later, the APP asked her if anything is wrong because the driver was still parked at her front door.
She called the police and they showed up 30 minutes later and made him leave. Dude was at her house messaging her for 45 minutes.
Ya, I'm a dude and I would also choose bear.
It's also wild to me that I've been told multiple times by experienced outdoorsmen that the most dangerous animal you can encounter in the woods is another human, but that's entirely forgotten as soon as the culture war revs up.
yup. all kinds of people in this thread equating "encountering a bear" to "being mauled by a bear"
Well of course, being that the other side of it is equating "meeting a man" to "being raped or murdered by a man."
In reality, 99.99% of the time in both cases absolutely nothing will happen, but that doesn't stir up fear and anger so it's less fun to acknowledge that.
You know how many bears I've seen in the woods in all my days out there? 4. Know how many men I've seen? Me neither, lost count somewhere in the hundreds (ok I never counted because it's such a common and trivial thing). In all those times, the bears kept eating from the dumpster and the men politely nod and keep walking. Ironically the bears eating from dumpsters are the more likely ones to kill people, and strangers are the least likely people to kill people (usually someone you already know), but still, nothing happened.
clearly they haven't met a moose
but yeah, animals mostly just want to be left alone. usually it is pretty easy to do that when you come across one
Yeah, a bear lives in the fucking woods. That's his house, and presumably if you're not fucking with the bear, the bear most likely won't fuck with you.
But another person? With unclear intentions for being in the woods? Not everyone is out to get you, but it's a higher risk than a damn bear. Especially if you're a woman, by yourself
A bear's intentions are obvious.
if you can read bear body language, maybe. if you don't.. uh, no, they're not, they can change suddenly.
I miss when MGTOW wasn't co-opted by incels. It used to be dudes talking about goals they were pursuing or hobbies they enjoyed. Some were even married!! It was more about trying to "follow your own path" and making sure you carve out time for things you enjoy doing instead of losing your entire life to a family or children or job or feeling like you needed to follow the "traditional" path. But that was over a decade ago. And now, ironically, all MGTOW does is focus on women.
I think it was inevitable because women were the common thread that held it all together. If people wanted to talk about hobbies, they should just go to a forum for that hobby, not a "I'm doing hobbies instead of seeing women" forum because the focus is already off the hobby and on how much the hobby can help distract from the desire to see a woman.
I always saw mgtow as a group as obsessed with women as the incels, they were just coping with their pain differently (and better, don't get me wrong, mgtow is far less dangerous than inceldom, but they are similar in patheticness).
And note that I'm only talking about people who make that a core part of their identity. I think it's OK to decide that you're not going to pursue dating anymore, whether it's because you don't want to be hurt or because you don't feel worthy of love or whatever. But if you're constantly bringing it up or always want to talk about it, it might be a sign that you're not actually OK with that choice.
Wild how a simple safety tip got turned into a whole fantasy scenario. Sometimes the point really is just: let people feel safe.
This is worse than them implying they deserve to be mauled... It's literally showcasing that they don't care. If they don't get validation, then they will actively allow the mauling.
This is an active action, not a passive one. They are walking by, allowing the violence. It's definitely proving the point.
Jeez. These comments.
I don't understand why this triggers so many men. I think a lot of them just have absolutely no experience talking with women or reading about their interactions with men. Just a total lack of curiosity or interest in what life is like for women.
absolutely no experience talking with women
Also, most people have no experience with wildlife and think all bears are murder machines.
The vast majority of bear encounters outside of very specific locations are with black bears. In which case you just end up momentarily scaring each other and then they run away.
Genuinely men don't see some of the issues women deal with. Like, all of my female friends have stories about dudes being creeps, but my male friends mostly don't have stories like that. It's extremely easy to be out of touch with even your close friends on this matter.
Men in general have no idea what women have to deal with [from men]. And so many men are fragile and want to turn it around and make themselves the victims. If you are having a hard time befriending women, then you need to look deeper into your actions and how they might be perceived by someone who has to deal with unprovoked messaging, calling, touching, staring, following, etc. Men are the reason women travel in groups to the restroom, or that there is such a thing as a drink cover in a bar, or that there are women only driver options for ride services, etc. etc. You just need to realize that even if the actual percentage of men who are creepers is low, it doesn't mean that the number of interactions women have with them is not. All it takes is one scary moment for a woman to be put on the defensive for good.
Yeah, I'm shocked at the level of misogyny on Lemmy. I swear shit was never this bad even a few months ago? Maybe I was being ignorant.
Na, never has been different. Look up any thread that even mildly implies men could do something wrong and it's only hate from there on.
I wonder why tough. Lemmy is fairly left, pro LGBTQI+, etc. but in regards to anything mildly feminist you get... well, this kind of lovely thread.
I feel bad for note paying attention to it sooner. I think I'm going to have to post more of this sort of content all over the place to piss of the sexists.
Sadly brocialism is a thing amongst some leftists.
Unfortunately no, it’s been like this since I made my first account over 2 yrs ago. It hasn’t really gotten worse but it’s also not getting better. It’s basically why the AFAB cis population of the platform is tiny. Why would women stick around when this stuff is what every post about women turns into..
the root of most hate, and i mean like… DEEP hate isn't any active emotion towards another person but instead an unwillingness to audit our blindspots. what i see a lot on lemmy is people who are steeped in Internet Culture who assume that they are progressive, forward thinking, and have it all figured out. i try to come into discussions with the mindset that i'm guilty of this, too, and that i'm a work in progress.
there's also a deep seated fundamental misunderstanding of what feminism is here that matches very directly to what you would get used to seeing on reddit. it's kind of funny, because it demonstrates that the Read Theory bros theories don't consider critical marxist analysis of gender to be part of the theory that needs to be read, which is frustrating, bordering on upsetting. anytime i recommend someone read bell hooks' Feminism is For Everyone i get antsy about how long in will take for someone who's let conservatives tell them what feminism is to tell me that's a propaganda rag and that bell hooks doesn't know what feminism is
it's like solidarity amongst the lower classes only matters up until the point when you have to start working against the oldest arbitrary division that's been used to keep us from organizing
it's like solidarity amongst the lower classes only matters up until the point when you have to start working against the oldest arbitrary division that's been used to keep us from organizing
Unfortunately, I think a lot of the read theory bros on lemmy are people who are less concerned about solidarity with the lower class, and really just involved in Marxism because they want to abolish class because they've incidentally fallen into the lower class.
There seems to be a lot more anger about their own displacement within their own society than the plights of more disenfranchised minorities classes. I think that's why a lot of the Marxist/communist instances are so obsessed with the particulars instead of being a more big tent community.
I hope it may be a bit of confirmation bias. Most of the people who are not misogynists just move on after reading the meme and don't comment. I was about to do the same until I saw this comment thread, and now I'm in the gutter of other comment threads here trying to fight the good fight 🤣.
Post of a kind "Men once again prove women right"
This argument is so dumb. Women are assuming the random man will rape them just because (what?) and men are assuming the women would rather get mauled to death by a bear (likely) then what I think they're thinking is that they can befriend it or something? It is mildly insulting when someone says to your face "I'd rather be mauled to death than spend a second alone with you". I've never come across this situation in real life however so I think this is a nonsense internet argument intended to drum up division and distract us from making guillotines.
You are misunderstanding what women are implying with this meme. It is about probability not pre-determined outcomes. Women are more fearful of the man because they believe there is more chance of being harmed by a random man than a random bear. This neither implies every man will threaten her nor every bear will maul her.
Just entertaining this is true, you DO realize how horrible it is to hear "I think you're more dangerous than a random bear just for existing"? And this isn't supposed to give men lasting mental health issues and extreme social anxiety?
I can't say how it's going to affect all men, but for me (who is a man) that is not how it affects me. The fact that there exists a lot of mysogonistic men doesn't reflect on me. I am confident that I'd be one of the men who'd just leave a woman alone if we ever met in the woods, so knowing that there are a lot of men out their who wouldn't doesn't get me salty at the women who are fearful of them; but rather, it gets me salty at the shithead men out there who are ultimately the root of the women's fear.
Right now, you are ultimately expressing your anger towards the hypothetical victim rather getting angry at the hypothetical asshole.
Awwww are your fee fees hurt
Dude you sound so sad. Yes, dudes suck towards women, a lot. Accept it. It's not a reflection on you personally. But, your reaction is telling (all about ME and MY feelings)
Bro. I know you're not a rapist, but you're going to have to accept that lots of men are rapists. If you want people to think of men in general as nice people, you need to fight the rapists. Right now you're not doing that.
