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Gen Z men are moving away from MAGA in droves, polls show (www.independent.co.uk)

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[–] stevestevesteve@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Too little too late TBH

[+] aislopmukbang@sh.itjust.works 63 points 4 months ago (3 children)

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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well, we're not gonna get progress either way because these idiots already handed over the keys.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They only had the keys to begin with because of all the people who had already (and continue to) given up. Assuming that there was nothing they could ever do because when they showed up at the last second and did the absolute bare minimum, it didn't magically fix everything for them.

[–] stevestevesteve@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh I'm sorry did I not vote my ass off and protest and write my congresspeople and every other option short of violence I can think of?

Fuck off "because of people who had given up". The people who gave up are the people at the top. The people who were very much in power yet failed to go after Trump after his 1st term, and who failed to put in protections for his second term, and who have failed their country every step of the way. Forgive me for losing faith in a party who could have continued to hold out against the budget bill, yet mind-bogglingly didn't. Fuck off with "it didn't magically fix everything". Fix maybe one thing and I'd have had a little faith. The American government has entirely failed America and there appear to be no more nonviolent options for resolution here.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why do people assume that, when talking about something that doesn't contextually apply to them... it magically applies to them for some reason.

I'm not talking about people who voted their ass off in every election possible, marched in protests, contacted their current reps, etc. as evidenced by specifically referencing people who did the absolute minimum.

If you gave up after all that effort, that's a completely different problem. One mostly centered around the narcissistic idea of "I did everything I could and nothing changed, therefore doing those things makes no difference". It is about a combined effort, not a singular one. One person doing everything they can (as long as their bank account couldn't fund entire countries) ain't gonna do shit by itself.

It's also not about a single party. Anyone who just looks at a party and thinks "That's my team, I'll do whatever they say" is also a problem. It is possible to change that team with enough (collective) effort, but banking on everyone on that team being magically "the good guy" is naive at best, and downright foolish otherwise. Blaming them for all your problems equally so.

The country is made up of people, not just parties or corporations, no matter how many Supreme Court justices think otherwise. That's who's going to make a difference.

[–] stevestevesteve@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

why do people assume that I'm talking about them when I reply to their message implying that I'm talking about them

The closest thing to a solution now is secession and that basically means civil war. It's not giving up to recognize that the American people have already lost, immensely.

It's also pretty reductionist to frame this as a voter apathy issue. "Well if people cared more..." No. When we're talking about the USA we're talking systemic failures of our systems. Mandatory voting has been around for centuries at this point, any party could have stood behind that but didn't. For as long as most of us have been alive the US system has been disenfranchising and blocking voters. Don't tell me it's apathy that got trump elected the second time. It's a system that failed.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I want to be left alone.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

or do you want progress?

If the last decade hasn't proven to you that this nation isn't intelligent enough to make progress and, in fact, will regress, then I'm not sure what kind of proof you need.

You can't make progress when your educational system isn't properly educating the masses.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

What? If their only base has trouble moving more than 3 feet before stumbling, they're in trouble.

[–] Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Do those polls also show these people, given a chance to do things over would have voted for Harris instead of Trump? If not, they don't really regret a god damn thing. Every time I've seen this fake contrition given any follow-up, they always say they'd vote for Trump again.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Very few people actually swing back and forth between the parties. Elections are won and lost by turnout, not swing voters.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 months ago

Hammer that nail!

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The first lesson for young people entering politics is almost always: the right don't give a fuck about you.

Sometimes that's not enough of a lesson, especially for the wealthy kids. Others will return to the right when they feel betrayed by the left. It's the great sorting into piles the system is designed to do.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 26 points 4 months ago

Others will return to the right when they feel betrayed by the left.

I was betrayed by the left. It only pushed me farther left.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad, I just hope they don't rebrand Western supremacy once more and they fall for it later on regardless. 🙏

[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They will learn nothing from this. It took them ten years to realize Donald Trump is a fraud.

[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I disagree.

There are likely 2 factors at play here. The marketing machine for the Republicans is off right now. They don't need to win an election, so they have no reason to curb their opinions with the high school and college crowd.

The other is that people usually do a lot of growing up in their 20s. You get some real freedom all at once and it takes time to adjust to what "normal" is.

The GenZ crowd that voted for Trump in 2024 looked at how Biden ran the country for the last 4 years and decided they wanted something different, which is exactly what Trump was promising.

They were likely too young to be politically involved through the first term and definitely were not old enough to know how much of a shift 2016 was from the Bush admin.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Women won’t fuck MAGA.

Lysistrata works.

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 months ago

Someone finally drop a wildly viral TikTok "100x chance to get laid with this one simple trick"?

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Because TikTok, YouTube, Discord, Rumble and whatever told them Trump would make things better. And they’re not.

Trump wants hyper online, short attention span, disinformation powered politics? Well, he got it.

And unlike his business ventures, he’s got nowhere to run now from his own mess now.

[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

They just gotta watch more of that Joe R guy.

[–] Hayduke@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ignore polls. Vote as if democracy depends on it.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io -2 points 4 months ago

lol "vote"

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Too fucking late.

Should have grown a brain sooner.

Imagine being GenZ and being poor as fuck and then voting for the guys that have spent decades making it very clear they fucking despise poor people.

I weep for the future.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

I know we're not supposed to call them idiots, because that might make them stubbornly cling to MAGA... So we'll just think it loudly forever more if we ever meet these people.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 months ago

droves are what antifa call minivans

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

If this is true, the overall polls among republicans are not reflecting it.