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[-] [email protected] 210 points 1 week ago

Doesn't matter what the headlines or the opinion polls say. Vote like democracy depends on it!

[-] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago

I voted for that bowl of tapioca once and I'll do it again.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

I'll likely vote someone else in the primaries though.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

There will not be a primary

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[-] [email protected] 78 points 1 week ago

Imagine thinking that Trump is in any way, shape, or form, better for you and your family than Biden.

Conservatives and Republicans: hate working class people, hate people that rent, hate minorities including women, want to privatize every last piece of American society so you'll have to subscribe to your alarm clock and appliances.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

It's the illusion the maga crowd clings to. They think the economy was better under Trump and they think that relates to prosperity for them. The truth is that the economy really only indicates how the market is for the wealthy. But they don't see that. Trump, like nearly all GOP, is fully prepared to strip mine this nation of all resources possible, which would me amazing for the economy. 🙄

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Trump prints trillions of dollars. Loses election, then blames biden for fixing his mistake.

It's fucked..

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[-] [email protected] 75 points 1 week ago

Does anyone not think that?

[-] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago

The people who think fascism could never come here, I guess?

[-] [email protected] 64 points 1 week ago

The people who think now is the time to make a moral stand by voting 3p

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

Those people should probably take a look at the Nazi march that went down in Wisconsin yesterday if they think it's not or can't happen in the US.

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[-] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago

Biden could have done what’s best for the country and been a one term president. I’ll still vote for him but not because he’s some amazing leader or anything.

So they did it to themselves if they lose.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago

I don't know, I think the situation is more nuisanced. I didn't vote for Biden in the primaries (I did in the general), but I have to admit he's accomplished a lot more than I anticipated he would. At the time I just wanted a president who wasn't a complete train wreck.

I'd be all in if he was younger, but even so, I'm not sure what the best option is. If Biden stepped aside, I'm not sure the Democrats' ability to win in 2024 would go up. Incumbents have an advantage for sure, and there isn't an obvious choice to replace him. The most important thing at this point is that Trump doesn't win. Whatever situation maximizes the chance of him losing is good with me.

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[-] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago

Wake up call for who? Will the Democrats ever wake up and give their base something to vote for, instead of "hey, the other guys's worse, whaddya gonna do?".

[-] [email protected] 67 points 1 week ago

What the hell are you talking about???

The dems have absolutely given us things to vote for: infrastructure act, record low unemployment, union support with the pres visiting the picket line for the first time ever, we have the best inflation rate across all of the G7.

Yeah it’s not enough but that’s on the contrarians more than anything else.

The fuck you talking about

[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

They're repeating right wing propaganda, that's what's up.

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago

I think they do: https://www.whitehouse.gov/therecord/

I just think the Dems suck at advertising it. Hell, I think Biden is trying for at least some student debt relief.

[-] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

You aren't wrong, in a way. I'm nearing fifty and Biden is arguably the most progressive president in my lifetime. The problem is, that says more about the quality of presidents in my lifetime than it does about Biden, and with the climate crisis and encroaching global fascism, we don't have anymore time to wait. The Democrats are doing more, now, because pressure from the left has convinced them that they have to, but the leadership is still dragging their feet in defense of corporate profits as much as they can. The fact that they are doing more doesn't mean it's time to lower the pressure - it means the pressure is working, and we need to dial it up.

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[-] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago

Uh... Haven't we been screaming that Biden is a pretty bad candidate since he took office and begging him to not run for re-election?

This is a surprise to who?

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[-] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago

The article could have, but didn't, make the point that our politics and the rhetoric surrounding it today serve the right by subverting faith in democracy, and by exhausting likely voters' critical faculties:

Yesterday, David Roberts of the energy and politics newsletter Volts noted that a Washington Post article illustrated how right-wing extremism is accomplishing its goal of destroying faith in democracy. Examining how “in a swing Wisconsin county, everyone is tired of politics,” the article revealed how right-wing extremism has sucked up so much media oxygen that people have tuned out, making them unaware that Biden and the Democrats are doing their best to deliver precisely what those in the article claim to want: compromise, access to abortion, affordable health care, and gun safety.

One person interviewed said, “I can’t really speak to anything [Biden] has done because I’ve tuned it out, like a lot of people have. We’re so tired of the us-against-them politics.” Roberts points out that “both sides” are not extremists, but many Americans have no idea that the Democrats are actually trying to govern, including by reaching across the aisle. Roberts notes that the media focus on the right wing enables the right wing to define our politics. That, in turn, serves the radical right by destroying Americans’ faith in our democratic government.


There's also the tendency for people to assign to the incumbent all of the problems that happen on his watch- at this point, even with material improvements for most people, it's a hard sell to convince people that they're better off when every bit of right-wing media is devoted to telling people they're worse off and the mainstream media just both-sides it like there isn't one party trying mightily to end American democracy.

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[-] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago

So sad that after so many failings, they still cannot learn! Do what's right, not what's personally profitable, you scumbags.

Do you want trump? This is how we get trump.

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago

The "Biden sucks" narrative is a little out of control at the moment. I hope his team pivots to highlight all of his successes around the time Trump is getting tossed in prison. That should hopefully be enough juxtaposition for even the most terminally online idiots in this country to not vote for the meme candidate again.

Part of the problem also is that centrist Dem voters are single issue queens and will refuse to turn out if they don't get their way on certain issues, and a lot of them are drawing lines in the sand over Israel/Palestine right now. In case anybody hasn't be paying attention, let me assure you, Trump will not end the war in the middle east. If anything, he will accelerate it. If you're unhappy about Biden supporting Israel but calling for an end to hostilities, boy are you going to be upset if Trump takes the White House and endorses full-on genocide of Muslims in the west bank and complete Russian supremacy in Ukraine.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

The centrists are much happier than the leftists with Biden, I've seen more voter apathy among leftists who are tired of voting for center-right candidates while right wing extremists get to vote for fascists that openly support them.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

I wasn't exactly an enthusiastic Biden voter last go-around, I thought he was probably past his prime even in the primaries and think his VP is pathetic, BUT there's not even a choice going into 2024. You've got one guy who already staged one insurrection attempt, is openly planning to turn the US into a fascist dictatorship, fumbled the US's pandemic response, gave US secrets away rival countries, is likely beholden to one of our biggest global adversaries, had almost no actual accomplishments to speak of during his term, and consistently breaks the law on a daily/weekly basis. And then you've got a middle-of-the-road, generic politician who has actually racked up some achievements in the past four years, but has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth from time to time. The Israel-Palestine thing is essentially a continuation of US policy for the past few dozen years, yeah it sucks and wish we could do something more than giving them more weapons and just limply saying, "Could you please kill civilians maybe not so fast, just ease up a little bit?" But yeah, Trump would likely give them the ok to just start nuking Gaza/West Bank and might even offer US nukes for the job. Trying to pressure Democrats to change course on Israel by essentially handing the election over to Trump will not help the Palestinian cause any, the same way that being pissed off about Bernie Sanders and sitting out 2016 basically handed Trump and the GOP a SCOTUS majority (note: I supported Sanders in the 2016 primary).

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[-] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago

My question is who are they asking for these poles?

[-] [email protected] 77 points 1 week ago

People who are willing to answer a call from an unknown number then answer questions for 15 minutes.

So, basically nobody under the age of about 40.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

48 and don't even answer known numbers.

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

Worse: people who answer the call on their land line.

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago

Democrat leadership has a severe communications problem. I'm not sure why they refuse to fix the disconnect.

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[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

Maybe their strategy for getting votes could be something better than "the other guy is worse".

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

Ok so it starts with you. Volunteer with your local voting rights groups and get people registered to vote. Work their social media teams. Go to high schools and go register those turning 18. Voting rights groups are well known for this useful work.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

i wonder sometimes what it would be like to cut my intestines with a pair of scissors

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

That would be less painful than another trump presidency

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

So, what are they doing to energize the base?

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

The government would work a lot better if all the old fucks stopped trying to make everything a petty competition with winners and losers.

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