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Ukraine is set to field its first officially codified domestically built grenade launcher armed ground robot, after the Ministry of Defense approved the Droid NW 40 robotic combat system for service with the country’s Defense Forces, developer DevDroid said on December 23.

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[–] bklyn@piefed.social 57 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 45 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Damn, we have to advance our cloning technology quick, that just doesn't roll off the toung.

[–] Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 weeks ago

Be on the lookout for Russia's response based on historical robot champions.

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 42 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The launcher has a maximum effective range of up to 1.5 kilometers and can fire either single shots or bursts, with an onboard ammunition load of 48 rounds.

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[–] 20cello@lemmy.world 38 points 4 weeks ago

Invaders must die

[–] EnderLaw@lemmy.world 28 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)
  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

  2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 42 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think it will be programmed that way.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 19 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The writer of the laws himself made his career by writing an entire book series with stories about pointing out where the laws break down.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

In this case I think they're broken down immediately because they won't be used.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
  1. Spend months in a meeting room with everything from ethicists and philosopher to machine learning specialists and developers to figure out each nuance of the rules

  2. or program it to kill everything until the batteries run down and send it out within the hour

The answer in a war is always the second option.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

Screamers. Check it out.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

He did also do some stories about 'fixing' the laws but in every case that resulted in either limiting the robots capabilities in a restricting way or requiring them to have more power over people in ways that could be harmful to humanites self autonomy in the longrun.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 29 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
  1. A robot may not damage shareholder value or, through inaction, allow shareholder value to come to harm.
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

Must. Make. More. Paperclips.

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I believe this is only for fully autonomous robots. These are human controlled, more like an rc car with an upgrade.

[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

But there are aerial drones currently in use that have AI targeting.

[–] greygore@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Actually autonomous? Or guided by computer vision? Technically CV is AI but not what concerns most people.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ukraine has autonomous drones as autonomous as "there must be a tank around these parts, go destroy it!" and it executes.

Now they even recognize the type of tanks, their armor, so that they target its known weak point, and if it can't, it targets the turret to make it at least unusable.

They probably have something similar as a submarine drone they used to sink the Russian submarine (it was most likely too far and underwater for remote control, and the drones had to pick the right target, or had a precise map and not lose positioning).

So they're probably close to make these slaughterbots also autonomous to some degree.

I never imagined humanoid shapes to be the perfect Terminators except for infiltration anyway...

[–] presoak@lazysoci.al 5 points 3 weeks ago

Right off the factory floor they are programmed to increase shareholder value. Some of them become accountants.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 16 points 4 weeks ago

Asimov wasn’t any more of a legislator than Dante was a theologian

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

There are loops. Killing a few Russian invaders will prevent many Ukrainian killings.

There's at least one story I can remember about that.

[–] doo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think it's a loophole. Surgeons hurt people in order to prevent a greater pain. ruZZia is just a cancer.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It's seen as an unexpected loophole in the books. Similar to how a surgeon won't kill one healthy person to save two with their organs.

At least on I,Robot

Edit: also, on I,Robot they harmed very specific people with very calculated results. Not like going to war, even on the defensive side.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 3 weeks ago

From the first time I read this as a kid, I recognized that in order for a robot to adhere to these rules, they would have to be programmed with these rules. A bad-faith robot builder could simply not include that programming.

A bad-faith robot builder like literally every one that accepts US government contracts.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago

wow...

Imagine being a Russian on a horse charging a fortification because that seems to be WTF is going on now, and this fucking robot of death comes out and kills you with a fucking grenade launcher.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 19 points 4 weeks ago

When you're blitzing up the tech tree and the AI keeps building T1 infantry and cavalry.

[–] nocturne@piefed.social 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

From the thumbnail I thought they used an image of Johnny 5.

[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 weeks ago

MUCH DISASSEMBLE!!

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 weeks ago

Hell ya, fuck them up!

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 11 points 4 weeks ago
[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

more of this, please. UA doesn't have enough soldiers to fight? modern problems require modern solutions.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 3 weeks ago

Our first Slaughterbot is born! Isn't she adorable?

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Command and conquers drone anti-tanks, which conveneiently serves as anti-infantry because you crush them.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

How about the Abrams getting PERCH systems to launch switchblade drones? That one is straight out of C&C Generals.

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[–] the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm sure there will be no negative repercussions whatsoever.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Just so nobody assumes the worst, why don't you explain your reasoning here?

[–] the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Thank you. I'm pro Ukraine, and terrified of robot armies. It's great that they are being made to fight Russia, but is that the only use this technology will ever be put to? I mean, we are already looking down the barrel of weaponized drone warfare. Basically, war sucks and fuck Putin.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

You just know that Trump is salivating to deploy something like this against ANTIFA. It'll be allowed to go into fully autonomous mode as it is modified to shoot "non-lethal" (yes I know thats not the right term but thats what they will say) rounds as it deems fit by their specially trained AI to basically shoot anything moving that isn't ICE.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The primary use of unmanned ground vehicles are for logistics especially logistics with explodey things it is very dangerous to ask a human to carry through a battlefield. If a UGV carrying a bunch of mortar rounds is hit by an FPV drone that sucks for the mortar crew that doesn't get ammunition but it is unimaginably better than a human being driving a truck full of mortar rounds being hit by one.

The next most useful use of unmanned ground vehicles are for casualty evacuation under fire and under conditions too risky for humans to try.

The third most useful is as a weapon.

So yes this is scary but honestly a human with a gun is still far more terrifying. The broader future of these big derpy rolling ground robots are disaster response and lifesaving applications, they are useful for war too but under very specific human coordinated contexts.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

I guess it's because combat trained killer robots that are already better than an army (granted, russian army, so not a high bar, but still) doesn't have amazing implications for thr future of humanity

[–] presoak@lazysoci.al 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah this is going to end well.

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