I mean, pretty much the first thing you learn if you look into it was that there were hundreds of stories that didn't make it into the 'official' Bible.

Female priests were redacted.

Speaking as someone who has read the Torah in Hebrew, this is inaccurate. The Leviticus (ויקרא) line is absolutely about 'do not lie with a man as you lie with a woman'. However, we can admit the Torah, and Bible is homophobic and also shouldn't proscribe our daily lives today. 'Reforming' the Bible by making stuff up just supports all the other things the Bible also unambiguously supports, such as slavery and misogyny. And transphobia, for that matter.

From my interpretation of reading the passage, the Sodomites were bisexual, since they would have been happy to rape either the male angels or Lot's daughters. However, the more important point is that they were rapists, and my understanding has always been that they were destroyed for being cruel to guests and the poor (such as the story of a woman giving a loaf of bread to a beggar being punished by being stripped naked, covered in honey, and left to the bees.)

that's the part that pisses me off the most about so many religious people, they're just so fucking...lazy...about even their own religion.

i travel alot, stay in hostels cause cheap and you meet new/interesting people, the least interesting people are the bible thumpers who always make nice little show about praying in the public space in the morning and just generally bringing jesus up at every opportunity.

just to fuck with these people i like to ask them what the 10 commandments are...most can't remember, at which point i say some manner of "...why are you trying to push this shit you clearly don't know onto me? Moses's sermon on the mount is like the 1 thing all branch's of abrahamic religions agree on...", if they do repeat all 10 i say some manner of "trick question, there's more than 10...have you even ever actually read Exodus/Deuteronomy?"

these people are just so fucking annoying, they supposedly had some super-powerful moment of revelation, to become a bible thumping moron...yet they can't even be bothered to do the bare minimum of reading even just their own book let alone actually researching their faith.

all religions have this problem but the american christians are the worst by far, if i thought a book had the answers to all of lifes questions i would be memorizing/anlayzing the fuck out of that shit.

quite off topic here but i feel the need to clarify. Pedophilia is not evil, a predator is. Now please don't jump to conclusions here, it is a very misrepresented topic due to its offensive nature. But pedophile is just someone that is attracted, which doesn't always mean they are predators. More then often it is not there fault (they can just be born like that or it can be caused by trauma), of course they should seek professional help but calling them evil before they do anything makes them not come out and not seek the help they need, thus causing more predators to exist. And just because I'm on thin ice here I will clarify again, I do NOT support pedophilia, I just don't like when people say pedophile when they mean predator. It is causing the problem to be worse. Hope someone takes this to heart and next time uses the right word, because words we use matter.

Hey, I have an idea! How about we dump religion altogether? Seems like a lot more hassle than it's worth, tbh.

Is there a source for that translation of arsenokoitai? DDG wasn't helpful and just kept giving me the "homosexual" translation.

Listen, I agree that homosexuality is overjudged by Christians, but isn't arsenokoitai a Greek word?

Just asking because Leviticus was written in Hebrew. There was a Greek translation, but there should also he a Hebrew source to pull from.

EDIT: I wrote this without reading the full post. That's my bad. Seems like an obvious loan word now. Egg on my face.

Spoiler alert - a lack of knowledge doesn't create bigots. Reactionary propaganda creates bigots.

The idea that bigots are bigots due to being "uneducated" is just another liberal myth designed to hide the origins of the bigotry that protects their precious status quo.

Trans and bisexual Jew here. As with all questions of Jewish law, the answer can be found, and optionally ignored, in the Talmud:

From where do we derive the prohibition and punishment for homosexual intercourse with a male? It is as the Sages taught in a baraita with regard to the verse: “And if a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood shall be upon them” (Leviticus 20:13): The word “man” excludes a minor boy. The phrase “lies with a male” is referring to any male, whether he is an adult man or whether he is a minor boy. The phrase “as with a woman [mishkevei isha],” referring to lying with a woman, appears in the plural. The verse teaches you that there are two manners of lying with a woman for which one who engages in intercourse with a woman forbidden to him is punished, vaginal and anal intercourse.

Sanhedrin 54a

Another fun law I just learned by looking this up

A man who engages in intercourse with a male or with an animal, and a woman who engages in intercourse with an animal, are executed by stoning. The animal is likewise stoned to death.

Sanhedrin 54a

The mishna teaches that Rabbi Yehuda says: A bachelor may not herd cattle, nor may two bachelors sleep with one covering. It is taught in the Tosefta (5:10): They said to Rabbi Yehuda: Jews are not suspected of engaging in homosexual intercourse nor of engaging in intercourse with an animal.

Kiddushin 82a

https://www.chabad.org/torah-texts/5299425/The-Talmud

King David had a gay lover and the bible celebrates it. there's a funeral poem that David wrote in there.

there are more gay parts in the bible than antigay part in the Christian version of it.

I prefer instead to just not base my life around a work of fiction.

and many scholars believe that King David was gay

Had a lot of wives for a gay guy.

"Peace out fuckos" is now part of my vernacular

On the topic of addressing historical correctitude, it's also worth noting that the Greek pederasty tradition was controversial even among classical Greeks, and the backlash of it spreading to Roman culture when they strip mined Greece for culture eventually ended it as popular practice in turn.

By the time Romans were in Judea the tradition was already out of favor even in Greece.

The real revisionist homophobia is pretending pederasty was the only kind of homosexuality in practice in either Greece or Rome.

Quick, tell me that they also mistranslated the part about shellfish or cloth made with different types of thread...

I’m interested in learning the actual use of and etymology of this word. I searched for it and the results generally consists of religious sites basically saying it means men who bed other men. Being religious sites I consider them single-source and unreliable. Only one made allowances for translating it as unfaithfulness regardless of the relationship, but then still went on to say it was man/man. None specified children. Anyone got a decent secular and objective source that lays out the possible usage and meaning(s)?

Emotion comes first, justification second. For basically everybody.