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the argument some people here make about Russia just trying to eliminate Nazis in Ukraine.

You should really block lemmy.ml, it's much better for your blood pressure and mental health.

well for one thing that number is fake

Russia views both NATO and Nazis across their border as direct threats. The former because they denied Russia's attempted entry and have been steadfastly encroaching, and the latter because they slaughtered twenty million Russian civilians in WWII. Russian Ukrainians living in the east of Ukraine were attacked, and the only party that was earnest about a diplomatic solution to the civil war happened to be Russia.

It's not meant to be understood. They are not arguing - they're just saying it. That's the sequence of words which signals loyalty and promotes the ingroup over the outgroup.

That's the only thing conservatives ever do.

Bc Dear Leader said so? (then ignoring consent, sent people regardless)

I suspect that you understand that argument better than you let on.

Something about Ukraine being the aggressor, and NATO making them do it? And that number being total bogus capitalist propaganda.

And if you ask Russian leadership, they might sight that Ukraine is ethnically and historically Russia.

I like to frame it with a “western” equivalent: the US invading Canada. If we lost 2.5 million troops doing it, even with a lot of propaganda and kool aid to smooth it over, even if we knew, for a fact, they’re liberal narco nazis or whatever, how would it make any sense? There’s not even the racism card to play.

…Then again, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties

These totals include both those killed and severely wounded who will never return to combat—hence the classification as “irrecoverable losses.” Sources within Ukraine’s General Staff told UNITED24 Media that the proportion of killed Russian soldiers is rising each year. Early in the war, more troops were wounded than killed. That trend has now reversed.

From the article. It doesn't count sprained ankles but does count things like foot blown off.

Probably on average though, it includes injuries that can’t be recovered from like missing limbs.

Hey, I’ve been hit by my own drone and I survived. It didn’t have a bomb though. 🙃

The "human wave" was Hitler's invented excuse for the defeat of the Sixth Army at Stalingrad after having promised the German people for weeks that the city was sure to be captured "very soon". In truth, they were defeated by a Soviet pincer counter attack.

https://sci-hub.ru/10.1177/002200946900400312

The "winners" write the history books. It's unlikely we'll ever get true answers. Intelligence agencies are all over this waging their own information wars. Narratives spun, and spun again. We're entering an era where we will no longer even need crisis actors and groups to produce fake materials, where anyone can generate "evidence" typing a few lines into their favourite video generator.

Just one, actually (10^6^→10^5^)

Don't forget all the latin americans, africans, middle easterners and asians. Over a hundred countries' nationals have fought on the russian side of the war. The reasons are all over the place.

A whole lot of them were not Russians. Lots of foreign fighters and conscripts from taken territory.

I don’t think the Russians include those dead in official numbers.

Indeed and I would agree but plenty of Ukrainian's are unnecessarily suffering and dieing because of Russia.

Nothing says communist praxis like simping for fascists engaged in an imperial conquest

Propaganda is when people disagree with you, brigading is when those people comment on a post in their feed