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Elektrek also crunched some numbers based on data released by Tesla last month and estimated that the Tesla Robotaxis are involved in a crash for every 40,000 miles they drive. For comparison, the publication reported, cars driven by humans crash about once every 500,000 miles, meaning the Robotaxis so far have crashed 12.5 times more frequently than human-driven cars.

All of the Robotaxi crashes so far have occurred with human safety monitors—who have been trained to take control of the car in the event of a software error—present in the vehicles.

This is significant because, as TechCrunch reported on Monday, Tesla is starting to send out its Robotaxi fleet without safety monitors.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 2 weeks ago

autopilot is safer than human drivers

Tell me more. Actually, don’t, I don’t want to hear it.

it’s because the human drivers around them

Well, in that case, autopilot isn't safer than a human driver. It needs to be able to handle idiot drivers better than a human to be better than a human

Imagine how many accidents would be avoided if there were fewer cars with fewer drivers because instead of investing in robotaxis and more roads, money was invested into public transit.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago

Tesla vehicles are not and will never be suitable for full self driving as long as they fully depend on cameras for their decision making.

[–] mech@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago

One crash every 40000 miles is insane.
Especially since they still have a human behind the wheel who's supposedly trained to intervene when (not if) the "autopilot" fucks up.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Something something move fast and break stuff

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

meanwhile, over at Waymo...

[–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

The difference between letting the engineers use all the sensors instead of trying to get by with only cameras for Elons ego is astounding.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't know why anyone should trust Waymo's self-reported statistics.

But I also have zero doubt that whatever their actual stats are, Tesla's are significantly worse.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Because if the stats were faked, waymo would be subject to an investor lawsuit.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

As we all know, no company has ever faked something for years and then faced a lawsuit when investors found out about it later.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

There's a reason why the phrase lies, damned lies, and statistics has remained relevant for over a century.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Hey! They took my job!

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] UnGlasierteGurke@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Are they at least safer than drunk drivers?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

We don't know how many drunk drivers don't crash, but we do know drivers distracted by screens crash more that drunk drivers, and no one crashes more than Tesla drivers. Those screen-based controls are irresponsible, unsafe and should be banned.

[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

And they have 0 accountability.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'll preface by saying I hate robotaxis.

The average robo taxi is a worse driver than the AVERAGE human. But the shittiest 5% of human drivers cause 95% of the accidents (source: trust me bro).

My point is, if you cause more than two accidents you should lose your license and be forced to take robotaxis instead.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

But the shittiest 5% of human drivers cause 95% of the accidents (source: trust me bro).

There is a cure for that: Fine, record and score sny observation of unsafe behaviour, and when the score exceeds a threshold, take away the license.

As you say, it is only necessary to annulate the license of the 5% most dangerous drivers to reduce accidents by a factor of twenty. And the latter is absolutely a worthy goal.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago

.....That's also a bicycle, and that one....a wall? Nope, that's a bike.