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Just another example of how America is collapsing under the weight of its own corporate/oligarch dictatorship, corruption, ignorance, racism, and mental illness epidemic.
An intelligent, empathetic leader is basically tied with a traitorous, criminally sociopathic, con artist who possesses zero morals or ethics, and literally works for someone he previously called Hitler...
If the US weren't a failed state, Trump would be in prison and Vance would be a fucking nobody.
JD Vance has zero charisma, idk how he can be in the race but, well... Trump.
Because he gets a baseline of like 35% just for having R next to his name.
Ahh yes... The very free and fair 2028 elections we'll being having. The Republicans definitely won't try every trick in the book to manipulate them or stop them outright. Nevermind establishment Dems fucking over primaries to shoehorn in their milquetoast candidates, while fucking over actual progressives!
I am so looking forward to voting our way out of fascism/ a dictatorship, as has absolutely been exhibited to work multiple times through history.
My fucking neighbor has a Trump 2028 sticker right under his Israeli flag
The DNC will use all their resources to sabotage her and place a Israeli loyalist that supports insider trading, forgiving the criminals in charge now, not reversing any of the shareholder first policies and deregulation and continuing to ratchet us to Nazi land while gaslighting us about how great the economy is because line go up for the capitalist class.
Part of the reason why social democracy is so important on the path to socialism is because line must go up for everyone or we’re totally screwed. I have no doubt the DNC will do whatever it can to undermine a candidate like AOC, but if we can implement a policy like Medicare for all, that will be a massive win for getting to the goal in more ways than one.
Vance won't be the candidate and everyone knows it but Vance.
I'd bet on Tucker Carlson. 🤢
It's going to be Donald Trump Jr. They won't even need to change the hats.
I fear it'll still be Trump, assuming he's alive
Is it in any way legal? No. Has that stopped him yet? Also no.
I really want him to think he's going to run again so that he'll undermine anyone else that tries to run. And then he can croak or something after ruining the primaries and getting his followers to hate any would be successor.
I've stopped being so hopeful. The best I can hope for at this point is President Camacho
I had no idea who this JD Vance person was until he became trump's running mate. Dude you're not popular or interesting on your own. Don't act like people actually like you, couch fucking baby.
You've been flying blind. JD's been the spectre haunting American politics since the Obama Era. That creepy little turd's backed his way up the drainpipe of American politics with the help of everyone from James Dobson to Oprah. He's the Republicans' Hillary Clinton.
He's a Peter Thiel project. They met when Vance was in either college or law school. Shillbilly never would have met any of those people without Thiel's help. Probably would never even have gotten a book deal trashing his family.
JFC, "JD" "Vance" is about as appealing as a bucket of piss. How in the fuck is this even close?
I get it - AOC doesn't have a dong and so a lot of mouthbreathers rule her out on that alone. But still, Christ. This is the stupid bootlick that called Donvict a Nazi and is now his VP and sits there and chastises one of our allies like some kind of cartoon bully.
Shame AOC and Bernie could not hijack the Democratic Party like Krasnov did to the fucking GOP.
I wish her the best of luck if she decides to run and she would stomp on Vance.
I blame suburbanites and another group of people we're not ever allowed to blame for anything ever no matter what.
They didn't want to pay more in taxes and it was 'her turn.'
This is why we have fascism.
I greatly fear that if AOC were to run, the terminally online left would pull the rug out from under her.
Any time she's ever done any action that went not 100% in favor of the delusional mindset of idiots who think single politicians can usher in perfect communism, the TOL screamed bloody murder and withdrew all support and hype.
The same would happen in Nov 2028
Mamdani had not even started his term and has already being cancel by the TOL.
AOC didn't support Gaza and is not communist enough!!! I will protest vote Jill Stein or not vote at all.
I'm not sure the terminally online left you mention make up a significant enough portion of any electorate to impact the race in this way.
alexandria ocasio-cortez should indeed run for president. seriously!
I'm all for a women president eventually, but perhaps the elections during an attempted fascist take over isn't the time.
Some men will simply not vote for a woman, it's sad, but it's reality. If a woman is on the ballot the democrats will lose again.
The time will come, just not yet with stakes this high. I would love to see AOC as the first female president.
Attitudes like yours are why Democrats lose elections. We talk ourselves out of our best candidates. We try to compromise with Republicans right out the gate, and try to select the more moderate 'electable' candidate.
Your line of thinking got us Kerry, Clinton, and Biden.
Trying to select a candidate based on "electability" is bullshit, because you just end up selecting for the most uninspiring centrist who can't get people to the polls.
You think you're selecting for winners, but you're taking your strongest pieces off the board.
This argument is frequently made on Lemmy. I’d like it to be true. But I just don’t know.
Makes sense in places like California or New York. But I don’t know about places in the Midwest e.g.
"We've never tried the inspiring candidate, but without evidence, I must insist that they're unelectable."
I mean, we did run the inspiring candidate. Obama. It was a huge success.
Did he turn out to be everything that everyone hoped and dreamed? No. But he energized the hell out of the base and at least the best president of the past few decades.
I hear you, but we've tried the strategies of the mainstream Democrats and they've failed hard.
Hopefully the recent ACA votes taught the Democrats that voting to end the shutdown was a terrible idea and that they should never again compromise with Republicans for mere promises of future consideration.
The Democrats should rally behind AOC and primary all corrupt bastards that enable the Republicans.
I'm still of the VERY strong opinion that Hillary and Kamala didn't lose because they were women, but because they were Hillary and Kamala.
I don't know, but maybe we shouldn't base our gender litmus test off of literally the most unlikeable women the DNC could have picked.
I fear you are right. And with numbers like this, the Democrats have an uphill battle anyway, with all the rigging and ratfucking that the Republicans do, not to mention the EC system itself.
Some men will simply not vote for a woman, it’s sad, but it’s reality.
Can we all agree that those men are trash? I don't care what else they've got going on, if they refuse to vote for a woman because she's a woman, they deserve to go into the dumpster.
I'm so sick of all these sacks of shit making the world worse
Awww, that's fun. People think we're going to have an election in 2028.
Fuuuuck yes!!!!
The election isn't won by getting the most total votes which means getting more than 50%+1 of liberal states isn't worth anything and losing 1% of swing states loses you the whole thing.
Anyone who is statistically tied with couch fucker is not a great bet
People didn't want Kamala because she wasn't democratically elected as the leader of the party in a primary so they let full blown fascism take over instead. They felt it was more important to send the Democrats a message instead of actually keeping some minimal form of democracy and freedom. 🙄
So they'll probably not vote for AOC if she becomes leader of the Democratic party anyway because of some minor excuse, like how she supported Israel's right to exist, or something. And the US will end up with a third Trump mandate.
I hope the US will prove me wrong. My hope in Americans doing the right thing is pretty low.
51?
This is what's wrong with people.
Even if trump had lost the election I was gonna be horrified if he had even gotten 30% of the votes. But this... Again. It doesn't matter if AOC wins if half the country is basically saying, after all this, they want more.
These numbers mean absolutely fucking nothing. They could have surveyed people if they thought a rotten apple or pile of shit had a chance to win the white house and it would have been 49% to 51%
As we’ve seen in every election from 2016 on, election polling is useless now.
why the fuck are we even entertaining who is going to be the next when we are not even one year into this current nazi’s 2nd regime?
is news that slow?
I didn't think anyone liked Vance. But I guess there are a lot of sexists and Republican cultists out there.