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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

Because it's that blaringly fucking obvious

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

But do they believe that's a bad thing?

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 points 17 hours ago

Hiding info about what? This is a meaningless stat bc people who answered in the affirmative could think they're hiding stuff about whoever. A more meaningful question would be if they believe there's a cover up about the melted orange one

[–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (6 children)
[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

Bear in mind, in these polls "Republicans" only comprise less than a third of the overall population. In the US it's about equal proportions of "Republican," "Democrat," and "Unaffiliated" and only about 2/3 of the US population actually votes. Therefore, when you see "38% of Republicans believe XYZ, you may think that's 19% of the total US population, but in reality it's only about 12%. Still high, but consider that about 20% of the adult population can't accurately answer the question "does the earth rotate around the sun, or does the sun rotate around the earth "

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 19 hours ago

They're not. Not really.

They know the government is hiding information and they support it, but the party line on the issue is that this is the most transparent government in history and so they give the "correct" answer as party loyalists. It's like Nazis saying they don't believe the Holocaust happened. They totally do! They just know that the "correct" answer, the party line, is to deny the Holocaust.

They're not stupid. They're evil.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Well, of that 38%, probably 8% are undecided. That leaves 30%. Of that 30, as someone else mentioned, some of those are sheeple from religious stuff. The rest? They're literally holding up Swastikas and chant "Jews will not replace us". Maybe not all of them are supporters of the Nazi party. Some are probably just klansmen.

You're basically looking at the evil underbelly of America. You know, Republicans.

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Decades of underinvestment in education.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Religion teaches you not to question things that don't make logical sense, he preys on those religious folks.

[–] cloudskater@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago

Why are they all so fucking stupid?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

Of that 62%, how many of them care in the least?

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago

Hmmm, I wonder what will happen when a notorious loudmouth in a position of power start holding up the release of information from a vile criminal to his conspiracy-theory primed base. Hmmmmm

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Rephrased

BREAKING NEWS!:

Turns out that ONLY 38% of GOP are idiots.

Rephrased
BREAKING NEWS!:
62% of republicans believe Trump is hiding Epstein ties, but still actively support him.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh no no no, we really can't say that yet. We need another statistic to say something like that: Is the government responsible for hiding info on Epstein run by democrats or republicans?

I would wager that a considerable amount of those 62% would answer that it's Biden or Obama who's behind the cover up.

[–] bcgm3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

At least 38% -- The other 62% still vote the way the way they do in spite of their suspicions.

[–] KingGordon@lemmy.world 128 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Theres that fucking 37-38% again who are beyond redemption.

[–] assembly@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And it’s so ironic that those are the same people who were the most vocal about focusing on Epstein.

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 32 points 1 day ago

These people are also the ones who supported shooting up a pizza place because of "Pizza Gate" but they're now silent

[–] evenglow@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (11 children)

The sooner more people realize that percentage is a lost cause the sooner we can start moving forward. That percentage will follow everyone else eventually. That's what they do. They are not leaders.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Word. No other idiocy perpetrated by this admin has been rolled out more over media outlets of all persuasion. Called out by critical voices from their own ranks. Nothing has been more obvious in the past 10 years. You need to not only close your eyes and ears but also loudly sing "lalalalala" to not recognize that. You need to want to not listen to be part of these 37-38%, so yeah, beyond redemption.

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[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

And yet 50% of republicans would support a third term

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

"but at least they aren't Democrats"

A refrain I've heard so often from them after bemoaning some inhumanly bad thing they think a Republican has done.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 20 hours ago

And hey, they finally realize the pigs might be lying, too? Bless their souls.

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago

These asshole Republicans currently RUN all three branches of government. Who's doing the hiding??

[–] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Which means 38% of Republicans are stupid.

#1 way to produce conservative voters is to cut public education.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

The latest poll shows that you do not need a poll to show you that trump is a lying, racist, thief, pedophile who will do anything to not get caught. Even start a war with Venezuela.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why are people so hyper focused on Epstein? MAGA supports this and everyone else already knows what happened as per the victims. Is why isn’t the focus on the constitution?

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

We really should be past trying to expose the truth about Epstein and onto imposing consequences for these crimes

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

The goverment is hiding a lot here.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Keep your eyes on Candice and Tucker. They gonna swoop in and scoop the movement from Vance when Trump dies.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I expect that when Trump dies the "movement" will shatter. One of the main things Trump has done is to make sure that nobody can follow him. Everybody who has stood up to him now either bows to him or is irrelevant: Desantis, Pence, Liz Cheney, Rubio, Cruz, Christie, etc. Nobody is going to follow Vance once Trump dies. Some fraction of Republicans still like Tucker, Oreilly, Candace Owens, etc. but some hate them with a passion. There's no way that they're going to unite behind them.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's already fracturing and I put that up to Trump's significant decline. Mapping the fault lines now can give us perspective on how things will fall out, because I agree, once Trump goes this thing falls apart.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The unfortunate thing is that democrats will most likely use the fracturing to cement their power. What would be much better is if it was used to get rid of first past the post voting, to put rules in place so that government institutions are non-political, make gerrymandering illegal, get rid of the electoral college, reform campaign financing to get the money out, etc. Instead the democrats are going to think "it's our turn at the trough" and try to do everything possible to ensure they stay in power and get paid.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not even sure Democrats can take back power with a fractured right, and if the current form of the Democratic party did take power, it would do almost nothing to stave off the waxing fascism in this country.

The current leadership of the Democratic party is as core to how and why fascism is ascendent in this country as the actual fascists. It would have been practically impossible for what has already happened to occur with out this incredibly compliant "opposition" party, all the while with an electorate trained on ABWD media and a meme of "strategic voting" which never seems to accomplish its strategic goals.

With out a strong, vociferously clear opposing vision of what to be as a country; without accountability, not just for the past year, the past 10 years, the failures of the Obama bank bailouts, which set all of this into motion, there is basically no point in putting Democrats into power, because every unearned push back to BAU or failure to address the genuine pain people feel as a result of ** both** Democratic and Republican policies, these failed launches as a resituating normalcy only further entrench and embolden fascists.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

the failures of the Obama bank bailouts, which set all of this into motion

I think it was more the temerity of Barack Obama for being born black that was a bigger issue.

As for the rest, of course Democrats will take back power if the right fractures. In a first-past-the-post system with only 2 parties that's just what happens. It doesn't matter how incompetently run the parties are, as soon as one leaves power, the other gains it. They may do nothing useful with that power, and it might just be a short time before it swings back the other direction, but they'll have power when the GOP collapses.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Bankers needed to go jail for life and homeowners are the ones who should have been bailed out. If Obama had taken a Rossellveltian strategy, they would have ushered in an era of Democratic rule like was done post WW2 (when America actually got a taste of social democracy). That coalition lasted for almost 40 years after WW2 because it focused on making a material difference in people's lives and expanding the sphere of civil rights.

Obama just, he's not who he campaigns as.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

What specific crimes did the bankers commit?

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