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[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 35 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Too bad homosexuals were never welcome

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Seems like LGBTQIA+ folks are more and more welcome in countries like China, at least in areas like Chengdu, than they have been in the past

[–] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

More than ever is still not a lot. While it's moving in the right direction, there is still a large amount of cultural reactionary pushback.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There was a time when China outpaced the US on LGBTQIA+ rights (China decriminalized being gay before the US and most other western nations did), but progress stalled and the US caught up and then overtook them with the legalization of gay marriage.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

Glad to see this sober treatment of reality from .ML

[–] Ininewcrow@piefed.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Give it another generation or two ... we have to wait for the old guard to die off before mentalities can really change.

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 months ago

+1% support is more than before, yeah. It’s still illegal to marry. And please, no whataboutism

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

China... eh... sort of...

Not in the villages tho, no, you'd get disowned. People who lives in, or have lived in, cities are probably more open minded.

I think the problem is not really "gay is sin", but more like "what about my grandchildren", know what I mean? Culturally, bloodlines are important. I mean, they literally have a whole geneology book tradition. I have one dating back to the 1200s (male ancestors only).

From what I know, its way more acceptable than... say Russia. Russia is just like next-level of fucked up. Seriously, as much I dislike CCP, I'd rather let PRC win than Russian Federation, the Kremlin is just so much worse.


TLDR for LGBT in terms of how people treat you is, from best to worst: Blue Cities in Blue States in the US > Tier 1 Cities in China > Red Cities in Red States in the US


In terms of government... well you just don't protest about it and kinda keep it low-key, you don't make a scene, you just keep quiet about it. You won't have any anti-discrimination laws if someone does find out and discriminate based on that.

If your ancestry is rural, your family is probably gonna disown you, but I doubt you'll get lynched, but your village will gossip about you, I overhear a lot of gossip when my parents talk on the phone.

Being Gay is more acceptable than being Trans. If I, hypothetically told my mom I want to be a girl, she'd call me a “變態” try to get me hospitalized because "I got poisoned by western ideology". But if I say I "have a boyfriend", then my mom is gonna laugh at me and then be like: "what about my grandchildren, you are gonna actually eventually take this seriously and find a real partner right?" and she'd assume I just found a friend that I got very close to, like as a brother or something.

So its really just Christian Religion vs Filial Piety/Confucism. Is there even a place without either? Maybe someone need to build a island somewhere without outdated conservative ideologies?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

LGBT held some very short lived freedoms in the USSR, along with women and minorities in general, compared to the rest of the world, but it was all downhill from there.

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 months ago

USA is gonna mirror that. ~10 years of same sex marriage and then total collapse of the country haha

[–] dumbass@piefed.social 19 points 2 months ago

Most propaganda from that era was extremely homoerotic.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes you have to show your friends how much you love them by holding hands and kissing them on the cheek. Then buying a house together, having kids together, and living together until your last breath ❤️

[–] ValiantDust@feddit.org 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] tpyo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Like this:

Which lead to one of the most famous pieces of Berlin Wall graffiti:

(From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_God,_Help_Me_to_Survive_This_Deadly_Love)

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 points 2 months ago

This week on Escape to the Country: Yuri and Lao are lifelong friends looking to move out of their Soho flat and buy a house together in the Cotswolds. Their budget is £800,000.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's called Homoerotic Ambiguity and is even more common in fascist propaganda.

[–] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

imagine being so entrenched in toxic masculinity that you see all male affection as homoerotic…

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Am I back in the 2000's again where the answer to every man+man interaction was "gaaaay"?

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Nah it's more of a weird side effect of how they tend to see masculinity. It's basically the inevitable end result of them hating feminity and forcing gender conformity that they end up being weirdly gay.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is what being gay should be broadly accepted, so straight people stop accidentally appropriating gay experiences. And maybe also equality, but mostly the other one

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This confuses me. I agree with you that the lbgtqia+ community should be more accepted, but I don't understand what point you're trying to convey.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Pinning the cause of grand movements to vague, minor issues has been a common joke for at least the 50 years of comedy that I’ve been aware of, but particularly after black comedians came to the forefront from the 80s* forward.

It’s sardonic and pained and disappointed absurdism for the sake of undercutting the anguish that is the reality of the situation. A few very powerful people creating outgroups to ostracize and to steal from.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for explaining it to my dumb ass.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You’re good. Not everyone knows everything at all times, and you asked with curiosity in your heart, so I explained to the best of my ability the why and the what.

You’ve done everything right, from my perspective

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for selling me on your instance.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That’s one of the sweetest compliments I’ve ever received on here. Thank you

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

That picture is cute AF!

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I don't like their propoganda no matter how homoerotic it is. They were horrible people.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

And then one died, leaving the other to become bitter and greedy, until they get reminded of the spirit of Festivus by WW3

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

We should all be so lucky.

Random thought; this kinda reminds me of the Tyler Childers' song "I'll wait for you".