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edit: "Balkanised" is probably the right word, partition means to divide territory between two other states. If the US did break apart in pieces (probably in some sort of dystopian/everyone is going to die world), i wonder if other countries will try to nab bits of it (e.g. Britain regaining their colonies, Mexico regaining their lost territories, Spain regaining Florida, or even Russia taking over Alaska)

note: I am not advocating for the partition of the US, it's just fun to think about new countries! Also, I'm not American and have never been there so I have no clue about the different cultures in the different states.

If the US broke up into multiple pieces in some way or another, what new countries would you want to appear? (with and without considering for the feasibility of such new countries) What would their relations be like with each other and with other countries?

Personally, I would think New York (the city) becoming an independent microstate would be kind of cool, like the Vatican City of the stock market. The idea of "Cascadia" (which, to my knowledge, includes California, Oregon, and one other I forgot the name of. I think a bit of Canada too. The west coast, right?) could be realised, and with California, they would have a very beefy economy, as well as Silicon Valley. An independent Alaskan state could also be interesting, especially since they have a cool flag. Same goes for Texas.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (7 children)
[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

As a Washingtonian, I approve and would welcome our kindly benevolent and woefully apologetic new rulers with open arms.

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think you could call it Jesusland, taking the LORD's name in vain and all that.

Christchurch though? Totally acceptable. Pretty sure that's a city in Texas. Or, take the Aramaic (language Christ spoke) word(s) for "promised land" and Anglify it.

Anyway, which would your capitols be? I'm thinking maybe Dallas for "Jesusland" — it's in Texas, and it's far enough inland to miss a lot of hurricane damage that gets Houston right on the coast — and maybe keep Ottawa for USC. Except it's not very centrally located... still might be their best bet since it exists. I sure wouldn't put it in California (too many wildfires/earthquakes). I was kinda thinking British Columbia though (north of Washington State, bordering the Pacific). Like Vancouver maybe. Lovely area.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So fun thing about vanity, that historically refers to asking God for petty things that God would not care about.

Like winning a basketball game, or the lottery. It's "vanity" to assume God would give a bother about things so unimportant just because YOU asked. Because whether or not you win is (theoretically) more about practice and application than divine intervention.

Though, obviously modern Americans don't give a shit about what the words in the book actually fucking mean. They're still likely to call it Jesusland, as likely as anything else, because even with the modern definition, they're not likely to actually care. THEY are God's chosen, and therefore THEY have special rules to go along with their special connection to Christ.

You may not blaspheme, though. You may not exist in their presence so long as you are not pious, upstanding, and white cis Christian. Though they wouldn't call you cis, that's for some reason a slur in Jesusland.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

Because calling them cis implies they live in a world that validates people being anything else. If they wish the world didn't consider being trans to be real, then why would the word "cis" in that context exist at all? It becomes an attack on their worldview, whether that's what is meant or not.

[–] msokiovt@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago

The supposed slur of being cisgender is something that was made up. That term was coined by the LGBTQ+ community as a means to refer to someone who's a biological male or biological female who doesn't want to become debauched and join the LGBTQ+ community (there are legitimate reasons why one wouldn't want to do that, like for myself as that's a mental illness).

For taking the Creator's name in vain, while that's a good way to describe it, it has to do with making it mean nothing. Most Christians would not like that explanation I gave... at all, and would use a different one that Rome made to brainwash them. It's ridiculous when you look into it.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm glad we made it into the USC, but for the record, Pennsylvania is PA not PN.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I didn't make the graphic, I just stole/hotlinked it. I am very familiar with PA, although it's main redeeming quality is that it's not New Jersey.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

It’s currently PA; the abbreviation will be one of the first changes.

[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Fun fact, Jesus never been in that land.

[–] weariedfae@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Poor Colorado fed to the wolves

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Jesusland got to keep Alaska as an exclave, so Colorado could be an enclave (maybe also include the blue bits of NM). I also feel like Jesusland shouldn't legally be allowed to have a place that calls itself "Sin City", so might as well add Clark County NV to the blue side. Perhaps the same treatment for the parts of Virginia right around DC, or St. Louis, since they're right on the border.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Alaska may vote red but they are not conservative at all. Pro weed and pro abortion are just one example of why it would not actually fit in with Jesusland.

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[–] Arkive@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There's a couple US culture maps out there. I like ones like this that break up the big regions into smaller sub-regions

I like the light bit of history this page gives, but I don't feel like it's kept up with our current affairs. https://robslink.com/SAS/democd83/us_regional_cultures_map.htm

[–] notreallyhere@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

fun fact: Jefferson was a white nationalist separatist statehood movement

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ohio shouldn’t be considered Midwest. It’s very much eastern seaboard and much more culturally similar to PA than the Midwest. Everything else is super solid.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

As someone who lived there for decades, nah its Midwest alright. Columbus is way more like Chicago than Philly, though it's similar to both. I'll accept Pittsburgh as Midwestern if they want

[–] epicthundercat@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Life-long Oregonian here, Cascadia needs to happen! Majority want it and we are sick of being held back by people we share 0 common interest, morality, culture ect... with. The United States is too huge and its ridiculous. Even the accents are slowly changing language over time. Plus, how the hell am I supposed to feel a sense of connection to some dude in Wyoming!? No offense to Wyoming but my state couldn't be further from that life... Going to Amsterdam felt like what Portland Oregon would be if it wasnt held back by crappy surrounding red policy and federal toxicity.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

New California Republic, just south of Vault City.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 5 points 1 month ago

New England. Becoming a Canadian province is optional.

[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

How about drawing a grid on the entire country, and labelling each new square state in chessboard style? American streets try to be sensible and consistent like that, so why not just apply the same idea on a federal level too? If you’re in the state D5, you’ll know that D4 right next door.

[–] mech@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How about dividing the US into 50 states with equal population?

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I like how Shiprock is a place no ship could ever reach.

[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

It’s a place where you need to build your own ship from local materials. Maybe consider using stone…

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

Africa moment.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Jefferson has entered the chat

[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

as a new yorker i support nyc secession lol

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Erase all federal and state government, only leave existing town boundaries and muncipal law. Every town must hold elections that year. Towns will then naturally start to work together via commerce, cultural and geographical ties and can create their own collectives/states. Or maybe they will become related and a part of Mexico or Canada and that's fine too. Just have a rule that any town that hasn't become part of another country must donate 5% of their tax income for a small military defense force.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Read up about the Holy Roman Empire. Not sure that’s something I’d sign up for.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's a pretty large subject, anything in particular?

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That’s kinda the point. The HRE was a gigantic federation of vassal states that had a bunch of decentralized authorities for centuries. It was a huge mess to understand how anything was done. If you think federal/state/local/municipal government is complicated, imagine trying to get anything done in the HRE system. I genuinely couldn’t summarize or give any realistic explanation, because I just cannot wrap my head around the particulars lol.

With the modern invention of passports, air travel, trains, and cars (all of which came after the fall of the HRE) I can’t see how any travel would be possible if each municipality was the strongest form of government.

That's a funny fantasy world.

[–] ace_garp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Mega-City One.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

One Capitol state and 13 District states.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Make Louisiana Purchase Again!

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

A single massive swath of Missouri River Basin, containing roughly the population of California and Texas combined.

LPT could effectively break off, form it's own country and win the upcoming water wars alone.

[–] Redacted@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

100 states, just section out the parts of each state that are right and left. Would this do anything to heal the nation? Obviously not. Would it be really interesting to watch? Obviously.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

probably have to expel any right winger from the state as well.

[–] Redacted@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah just everybody jammed into one of the 2 resulting states depending on if they are even slightly left or right. For maximum fun wed need to give the moderates there own state or two, like a control group sorta

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

considering thats what the right wing already do, pseudo-expel wise. why not repay the favor,

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The east coast. When I lived in New York, I thought we could do better on our own. Now that I’m near Boston, I know New England could. But you know what? We really have a lot in common all the way down to DC, and the DC suburbs of Virginia.

Acela is not just a transportation system connecting us all, but a result of our shared values, wanting a better connection. We’re a huge percentage of the population and the economy. We’re mostly “donor” states instead of “takers” so our economy would be solid. We’re mostly “blue” except New Hampshire and Pennsyltucky, seeing the value of good education, caring about our citizens quality of life. And yes we’re mostly the parts of the country built out long ago so have in common many traditional town centers and relatively fewer car centered hellscapes. Many parts of the east coast have been derided as “European”: let’s embrace that

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Colorado. Except it isn't a rectangle, but follows the Colorado river watershed from headwaters to the ocean.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I also want Colorado, but for it to be an even bigger rectangle, the biggest it can possibly be. I'm willing to give up some Mexican territory for this.

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 1 points 1 month ago

!askusa@discuss.online

I think it would be neat to have states conglomerate around shared bioregions. Like a new country made up of the Great Lakes states, for example. Maybe add some Canadian provinces too? Like if you made the Great Lakes Charter into a country

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The idea of "Cascadia" (which, to my knowledge, includes California, Oregon, and one other I forgot the name of.

CA, OR, WA, and

I think a bit of Canada too.

A section of Canada larger than those three states put together, you mean. The remainder would almost perfectly contain South Carolina.

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

Ah OK, got it

[–] invertedspear@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

People forget that there’s already a breakdown of the US between the country and state levels. The federal district courts divide the country into 11 districts. This effectively means there are groups of states where court precedence equates to different interpretations on the same laws.

So if something were to divide the country this map might make a good breakdown. It’s not very geographically regional, but few state borders are.

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