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I appreciate that they linked to the actual transportation agenda, but when you look at the article and agenda side-by-side, it becomes really obvious how dishonest NY Post is being here
NY Post is outright lying about parks in the middle of streets. I get their biases, but shouldn't they at least pretend to be honest?
War on Drivers
Dogshit title.
Its a war on the automotive industry and their planet killing infrastructure that's forced millions of Americans to own cars they can't even afford to get to jobs late that don't even adequately compensate them.
Dogshit title.
The NY Post is a dogshit tabloid.
Goodness, this article was a pain to read. Every single point raised is easily refutable but there's one particular paragraph I wanted to pick apart:
Among the plan’s more than 80 demands is a bizarre proposal to build playgrounds smack in the middle of city streets that would then be redesigned into cul-de-sacs — a move the group claims will solve the city’s “playground desert problem.”
Imagine calling a plan to build more playgrounds - something that would provide a long-term benefit for children- "bizarre" just because it just might remove some streets? I don't want come off as employing the overused "think of the children" argument since it's used to justify censorship but children do, in fact, have a right to clean spaces with breathable, unpolluted air.
They're trying to claim the playgrounds will be in the middle of the street. They even post a picture of an obviously poorly designed playground in between streets to associate the two ideas
This is despite the fact the whole point of closing low traffic streets to make a playground and cul de sac is so we don't have to put a playground in a literal street
It's propaganda, plain and simple
This COMMUNIST thinks building PLAYGROUNDS will solve the LACK OF PLAYGROUNDS?! Gadzooks, what fooferaw! Communists are so silly! Let the free market provide playgrounds.
Goodness, this article was a pain to read.
The NY Post is cancer. Anyone who works there should seriously reconsider their life choices.
Good!
FWIW I don't actually hate cars. It's just hate angry drivers, pollution, danger to everybody from pedestrian to other drivers, noise, economical dependence, power imbalance, etc. The cars themselves are...
OK forget that, I'm a car hater too.
Why are we posting Murdock owned rags?
Opening lines of the article:
Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani could make driving in the Big Apple hell on wheels
Oh fucking please. NYC has always been a shit-show to drive in. If they would improve the mass transit options, i would never choose to drive in.
Media is just the mouthpiece for the rich and it shows.
Well the NYPost is literally owned by Rupert Murdoch. (Trump’s billionaire buddy who owns Fox News and half the Australian media).
So this is par for the course I’m afraid.
NY Post is a Trump loving rag. Please don't give them clicks.
I’m so sick and tired of reading ‘oh, New York City busses are the slowest,'” slammed Stacey Rauch, a Murray Hill resident who takes the bus every day and argues the problem is the lack of busses – not the fact they’re slowed down by cars.
(Emphasis mine)
This may be the dumbest quote in the whole dumb article.
New York is going to get the same media coverage as Paris did. Paris got so much better in the last 15 years it’s absolutely crazy.
One of the many stupid things about it is that generally speaking, most measures to reduce cars have the effect of making car travel more pleasant. It's building tons of extra lanes that drives its own demand and makes driving slow and unpleasant.
You need to remember that the groups that push for this pro-car culture don’t represent the drivers, but the manufacturers.
They don’t care about the actual experience of driving - they only want to shit out as many new vehicles onto the road as possible.
You guys should email the NYPost and show your disappointment. Maybe, if enough people emailed them and showed them how you, the readers, do not agree with the way they do things, they would change it.
Obligatory: fuck cars. I am of the opinion that cars might just have been our worst idea.
Cars are fine. Car dependence is not. If you say something broad like "cars might just have been our worst idea" someone will simply point to the cases where it's unambiguously helpful such as ambulances, fire trucks, etc. and dismiss you entirely - along with dismissing the idea of walkable cities
I disagree. Cars are not fine. First, when people say cars, they are referring to civilian cars, not transportation cars.
Regardless, you are committing a fallacy. "In some cases, cars are helpful, therefore, cars are not our worst idea". A very simple way of showing that your conclusion is false is by just giving an example of having just 2 ideas, 1 of which is obviously worse than the other, even though that worse idea has some pros. Sorry, I know this is pedantic, but I just wanted to point out the fallacy first, in general terms.
But now to your point itself. Say we never invented cars and let's also say that that implies no ambulances (which it does not, we could have ambulances in a sort of public transport, ram ambulances, bike ambulances, etc). The amount of deads that cars cause is orders of magnitude larger than the amount of reads that ambulances save. I don't have data on this, I think everyone agrees with this. So, still, net positive.
So yes, I will repeat. Cars might just have been the worst idea we have ever had.
NYPost does not care about what their readers think. Their only job is to push a certain agenda. It is a propaganda rag.
nypost was so sour about mamdani's election that it lead to this masterpiece:
New york post going full onion parody of itself. Might as well have batboy on the front page.
I hope Mamdani frames one of those bad boys and hangs it on his office door.
Conservatives always make leftists sound cooler than they really are lol.
In fact, I took one of my taglines from Trump's anti-trans executive order, "An Anti American Ideology". I'm a trans performer
That New York Post article is a hate-filled piece of garbage.
For example, it hates against these "polarizing rat-riddled street dining shacks" (quote is from the article).
I can guarantee you, i live in Vienna, we have these things all over the place. There's at least 5 of them on my way from where i live to university. There's never been any problems with them. In fact, they're delicious and typically much cheaper than sit-in restaurants. That's probably because they don't have to pay for expensive rooms. That makes the food much cheaper, it's typically around 5€ for a kebab (basically a sandwich) compared to 12€ for anything you get at a sit-in restaurant. I have gone to these street dining shacks every day for years and never had problems.
More of this please, I want NYPOST in tears every single day.
The first time I went to NYC, car traffic was still allowed on Broadway between 46th and 47th in Times Square. Closing it off gave all these tourists somewhere to go and made crossing the street so much safer. It’s crazy to me that so much real estate was ceded to making the area 5% more convenient for drivers when the land was so much better used for pedestrians. NYC is already so walkable but I’d love to see it even less congested. No reason not to use the bus.
I love my car just the same as I love this post because I would despise driving in NYC
But ... but ... they need to sell cars, so they can get more taxes, so they can build more roads, so things are further apart and people need cars ... so they can sell more cars ...
🤣 “War on Drivers”. Thanks NY Post, I needed a laugh
Aren't cars notoriously evil in NYC?
Yeah. I love how Murderdoch is eating his hat.
Good. Fuck car culture. Fuck the nypost too.
the negative and outsized reaction of car culture to change
Source:
Life After Cars by Sarah Goodyear, Doug Gordon, and Aaron Naparstek
Where can I enlist for this war on cars?
Either way I read the article and I absolutely love everything they are saying Furnas is going to do.
I want to highlight a thingy in the article, NYT mentions "What about the mobility of seniors?" like they are all allowed to drive or have someone to drive them around if not.
A bio, so you don’t need to read the ridiculous NY post https://www.atkinson.cornell.edu/profile/ben-furnas/