Another piefed win

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Another piefed win

It has been a big weekend.
There were 32 commits and only a third of those relate to things announced in this community. There's some pretty nice integration with Mastodon, Pixelfed and Loops coming.
Only improvement I would suggest is to make the label "GenAI" instead of just "AI"
Even more, I'd like to see some technically correct term, instead of the "AI" buzzword that the companies are forcing with their marketing
(it's not intelligent, it's just a token generator/predictor, similar to your phone's autocomplete feature, just more advanced and trained with everything in the world)
Unfortunately I'm not an expert, but maybe something along the lines of "Deep Learning", "Neural Networks", "Generative Networks", "Generative technology", etc
GenAI stands for Generative AI, which I think is descriptive enough
I think their complaint is more that it’s an umbrella term applied a bit loosely (like plain old “AI”). Most people, even non-technical people, seem to instinctively understand that there’s some sort of machine learning (or a novel type of less rigid processing) behind their chatbots and image generators, but most of them also seem to think it’s one artificial entity that does the whole thing. So non-technical ChatGPT users are likely to think all of the different features (like asking it in text to generate an image) are one “consciousness” instead of a text environment and an image environment that sort of interface with each other. And then each of these is made of different parts. It’s all one product (I think we both agree it shouldn’t be one)
I think the person you’re replying to doesn’t like the term for the same reasons I do, it’s quite blatantly just a marketing term, a buzzword to swat away like an angry wasp. But it is the most descriptive and succinct term that most people know. I’m quite conflicted on this. “Taking a few pulls at the slop machines” is a fun way to shit on someone else abdicating their responsibility by using machine generated content en lieu of their brains, mostly in a context where their brains are needed, but “slop machine” is too accusatory. In the same way, I find “GenAI” just a little too permissive or possibly enthusiastic about what is claimed these algorithms even do.
If it was totally down to me I would probably add multiple tags: “Machine generated text”, “Machine generated images”, “Machine generated audio”. It keeps the distinctions I think are necessary (text ≠ thought/analysis, image ≠ artistic expression, etc) and gives us a few more toggles and a bit more statistical information that would be nice.
This comment dragged on a bit longer than I’d set out to write.
I think the issue is that it's not that much generative nor intelligent
SC - synthetic content
Names the problem without relying on their marketing
That seems vague though: when is something synthetic? If I use something like Context Free to create something, would that count? If you paint or take a picture, but apply some filters / effects? It, to me, feels too general to differentiate between tools that "fill in based on training data, and statistics thereof" and those that do not.
While AI/GenAI is used for marketing, it does draw a clear boundary as to what necessitates the annotation, yet is general enough to include any future changes, while being widely recognized.
But 😅 my point is mainly about using a correct technical term, instead of the forced marketing buzzword "AI"
You're right, it's not really an accurate term - but it's the shorthand abbreviation that has caught on.
(Thanks for taking the time to answer!)
But, on the other hand, using a better term in the UI is a step towards (at least some) people starting to use or at least be aware of other terms; "catching on" is a result of people and UIs using it! 😉
And something less technical, like "Generative technology" would also be clear 😁
This is excellent! Will there be a feature for users to report a non-tagged AI post to mods for tagging?
Could you use the existing reporting feature for this?
Holy moley I love Piefed so much
And it just keeps getting better, every month!!:-)
Omg I'm blind. I read that as "AI images will get a small badger next to the title" and I was so confused, why a badger, what do the cure buggers have to do with AI.
I mean... be the change that you want to see in the world: write that code that will insert cute little badgers next to (haha, random?!:-P) things all throughout the Threadiverse!
You could put it on a custom instance. Maybe call it "badger badger"?

That's why I made an AI generated community, because a part of the solution to stop people from posting AI generated stuff in other communities is to give them a place to post it. It still has to follow all the rules, but worst case is that someone posts something real in the AI generated community. https://lemmy.world/c/AIGenerated
Good idea but it won't help with accidental AI posting - when OP genuinely didn't know that the image was AI generated. The label can be set AFTER posting which is good.
The unfortunate thing that needs to be recognized is that we're already beyond the point where someone skilled can create AI generated content that looks hand made or like a real photograph. The thing we need to be focusing on is context and corroboration. Even if some content looks completely real and genuine, if it isn't corroborated and no one knows where it came from, then it becomes safer to assume that it was generated with AI, manipulated, or photoshopped.
I disagree. Laughing at an AI-gened meme might be unpleasant (upon later realization) but it's still better than wrongly accusing a person of using genAI. Especially if they work really hard on their craft and thus treat it like an important part of themselves. Artists already experience a lot of accusation under even their most human art.
Well, we tried that with !askusa@discuss.online , the success is limited
People will never follow the rules. I mean some will but you can never count on all doing so.
Inside of AskUsa most posts from non-mods are on explicitly political topics, despite efforts to state many other communities (stated by name and with links provided!) where those should go instead of there.
And then outside of that community people refuse to put their questions into it.
Part of the problem may be how the sidebar text tends to be fairly or even extremely hidden by some mobile apps. It would be helpful if the create post screens would show that - on all platforms: PieFed does, Lemmy does not, and some apps might or might not depending on the choices of those particular devs.
People will never follow the rules. I mean some will but you can never count on all doing so.
Indeed
Which mobile apps are keeping up with changes to Piefed?
Pretty much none, since a lot of the best features of PieFed are not (or at least historically were not) exposed in the API for them to tap into.
PieFed is moving forward so blazingly FAST that it might not seem like it, but overall it has not had the same amount of years of effort put into it that Lemmy has. Which imho makes it all the more impressive how its feature set has already (mostly) eclipsed that of Lemmy, and as we see here in the OP, also eclipsing that of Reddit as well. (But not in all ways, and the mobile API and the content searching are the two main ways where PieFed is a bit behind.)
This isn't going to work out. A lot of people that post AI made content are of the kind that don't know it's AI, or simply don't care. They're not going to tag it.
Then mods will tag it.
The mods can label them
will they? mods who are okay with AI content wouldn't care. mods who don't like slop would just remove the post.
People can block an entire community, preferring others instead where the mods keep out those kinds of posts. Nothing is perfect but this is a new tool that has potential to help people get what they want. e.g., is there anything wrong with NSFL posts, or bots, so long as they are properly labeled as such? If this tool helps organize at least some of the mess, then it can be helpful some of the time?
Ofc, only in PieFed communities, and for people with PieFed accounts. Though if Lemmy likes the idea then perhaps it can add it as well (same for Mbin, nodeBB, flarum, pixelfed, Mastodon, Loops, etc.).
Awesome! Thanks for this.