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Dark pattern design.
First of all, you're calling chat bots / image generators AI, which is just free marketing for Nvidia and so-called "Open" so-called "AI"
Laymen don't understand that Google Translate and ad algorithms have been called "AI but not AGI" for years in the same sense as these chat bots. The massive surge in use of the term "AI" is purely meant to confuse laymen and sell them the idea of intelligent bots we don't actually have.
More importantly, by using a "this seems like a bot to us" blacklist instead of a "we have proof this is a human" whitelist, you're fucking up democracy. If a system like this has enough users, it will probably end up being the direct trigger of suicides by people unfairly labeled as bots (like a non-proof-based whitelist would cause with people unfairly blocked from the list).
I hope this is a mistake, and not an intended step in the enshittification of the internet.
GenAI labels should always default to "human-made", with labels applied to generated stuff, not human-made. Also, being wrongly accused of using AI by a mod isn't much different from being banned over a misunderstanding. It just means we need multiple mods per community and a full transparency of mod actions.
Personally, I see more benefits from having genAI labels.
Being isolated because you're not good at proving you're human is different from being banned over a misunderstanding
You aren't isolated though, it's just your single post that's been labelled as AI-gened, and by PieFed doesn't even hide the post from users. Also, I disagree that it's any different: being banned because people thought you were bigotted when you didn't mean to can be a brutal experience.
And if one mod/admin keeps accusing you in using AI then call out their behavior, avoid their communities and move on. Sometimes people are just assholes.
I think we have different visions of how chaotic the internet is going to get with bots aggressively trying to take over. The issue would be actual social isolation due to bots and glowies successfully convincing people your human work isn't real. You make music at a time when human musicians are more focused on sounding human than sounding good; your song is really good; everyone calls it AI; you end up homeless and drifting away from the small number of limited human connections you had. Others with more social connections (and an easier time proving they're human) are able to peddle actual AI music as their own. Absolute dystopia
If it's just the occasional mod being an asshole, that's not so bad
I can't see how labeling a post as AI-gened in PieFed is gonna make you homeless, sorry. Unless you're talking about the AI impact in general but then I don't see how it's related to your criticism of this feature.
Tagging posts as AI-gened is good NOW, not in a hypothetical dystopian future where people abandon you because your music was accused of being AI-gened. Maybe that future will never actually come, for whatever reason!
My fear is it's coming and this is put in place first to make use of it for dystopian purposes.
If we're lucky, it's not coming, or this is just a mistake that will be fixed before becoming a real problem.
No, it's not put in place for that reason. It's put in place to try and label AI content and allow users to filter it out.
I guess we have to disagree about whether this feature is dystopian or not. Have a nice day!
Sounds more like you're making up a disagreement based on bad reading comprehension or something, not sure you're sincere about the "have a nice day"
If you are, have a nice day too
Yeah, possibly? Then again, the same could be said for running out of milk at the local grocery store, and more generally not everyone you dislike is (literally like) Hitler. By framing your argument in these terms you are distracting from the goal that you seem to be trying to reach. Take my answer however you will but I meant it in kindness.
I don't see how a proof-based whitelist would systemically be the trigger of any suicides.