Ask Lemmy

For health reasons, nothing to object. For pure vanity, it makes no sense.

ITT people who dont undersrand the difference between objective data sets and anecdotes.

Vanity is cringe enough even without literally chopping yourself up in its pursuit.

I will tell you from personal experience it sure makes you feel a certain way when your insurance denies a treatment for a life-threatening condition and that same system says that unnecessary treatments are a fine use of resources.

My daughter says she hates it because it means money can make you look better.

I kind of like that though - it is more democratic than "natural beauty" being the standard. If beauty is something you do or buy, maybe people think it's cheating, but how is that worse than it being luck?

Don't imagine I'll ever have enough $ to want to spend it on cosmetic surgery, but I knew a lady with bad skin tone - she had a baby and was overweight, lost the weight but her torso skin stayed stretched out, all saggy. She got a tummy tuck and boob lift and holy cow it looked amazing, she felt so good about her body and said "it cost as much as a car but I will drive my body much longer than my car.". Nobody is going to convince me that's a bad thing that she ought not have done. She wasn't disfigured before, she did it to look good and she sure did.

Every person owns their own body and should modify it however they want. I am not against even creative cosmetic surgery, you want elf ears, go for it. And I do not think ugly people are under any obligation to get modified so that they look "better" either. Whatever the individual wants, it is their call. This is one situation where I really feel it is not my business at all.

Vast majority is unnecessary and winds up looking worse.

For me, I find it sad. There is so much pressure on people (especially women) to look a certain way. I find beauty in uniqueness. When a certain "look" becomes fashionable, you see a lot of people get the same face. Then, you see people get "addicted" to the surgeries, and end up looking totally alien.

I can tell you why certain boomers hate/hated it, from what they've shared out loud:

Because apparently it means you might end up with ugly children but not know. So they say it's a form of deception.

Those people also usually dislike make-up too.

Because your face says a lot about you. By modifying it, you're lying.
Not my conviction, but that's the subconscious reasoning.

It often makes people look terrible

gee I don't know, maybe it's because these poster children are bonkers?

It's self mutilation in response to a mental illness cause by societal pressures and misogyny. Chopping up your face to appear younger, should not be something anyone feels the need to do.

Not all cosmetic surgery is this. Helping burn victims or people who have suffered injuries, nothing wrong with any of that. There's lots of legitimate reasons for cosmetic surgery to exist. But so much of it is the symptom of a broken society.

It's a very vain thing to waste your money on that most of us cannot afford.

I don't blame people for getting it when they have exceptional flaws, but for normal people to get it is rather disgusting.

I don't hate the people who got cosmetic surgeries done on themselves, but I hate the culture that made them feel like they needed them. I also think it often just doesn't look good.

Dunno… why do people hate fake money so much?

Because it perpetuates the myth that you're somehow a bad person if you show signs of aging.

I'm a bit split on the whole topic.

The cultural reasons for why people get it done are bullshit. Maintaining youth, eliminating every single perceived flaw, and so on. Making people believe that they are worthless without their good looks. It's a culture that isn't healthy for our minds or bodies.

On the other hand, some of the insults levelled at people who have had cosmetic surgery are incredibly vicious and I don't think it's fair. Much of it is misogynistic when directed at women, and homophobic when directed at men. I believe everyone is entitled to full autonomy to do as they wish with their own body, as long as noone else is harmed by it.

I think it might be similar to CGI in movies: you do not notice those good ones, they blend in and look natural. But you DO notice those that went wrong or way too far.

On Lemmy and Reddit? See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_face

"Excessive" obvious cosmetic surgery became a status symbol, and then it got politicized.

Probably because they look terrible.

Excess vanity is not a good look.

I see a difference between e.g. restorative cosmetic surgery, e.g. after an accident on one hand, and creating cow tits and Mar-a-Lago lips on the other.

Can't say I'm proud of my reaction, but it is what it is.

1. It makes the person look uncanny, which is naturally unsettling
2. I can't empathize with the decision to surgically change your body for whatever reason. So we're less likely to relate to each other.

It's also really not that high on the scale of seriousness. It's like the same weight as if I saw you wearing a Dallas Cowboys jersey or something.

If I have a daughter I hope I can teach her to love and appreciate herself for who she is, be proud of herself and that everyone is beautiful and worthy, rather than to fit in with the stereotypical standards of beauty and if she doesn't match that, she has to get surgery to do so.

1000% preference. Like fake tans, comestic surgery items like "Bolted on tits", lip fillers, and fake muscles look weird and unnatural. To me it looks like a slightly deformed human and instinct says stay away from that. However, I have cowokers who love that stuff. If there is a time in future where it looks more natural id probably more for it.

Do they hate it? I mean, not liking something does not mean hating that something (I don't like bananas, I'm fine with people eating them and have never campaigned to ban bananas from our tables, not even from mine ;).

And if they do hate it, why would that be an issue? Why does it matter?

The reason I am asking is because I saw a lot of women who look great after surgeries and I see nothing wrong with them, but when I browse Reddit I see people hating on them so hard, why?

I find most 'cosmetic' plastic surgery... rather not cosmetic at all, to be 100% honest and I often find the end result a lot less pleasing than the original version was, but people are free to do what they like with their own body whether I like or not—exactly like I'm free to not like it, and say it.

There was a time, when it was actively pushed onto women, and also people made fun of really bad ones on the internet later on, so plastic surgery became synonymous with weird oversized breasts and duck beak lips.

Because to me I see it as wearing a mask and faking who you are.

I also feel the same with makeup but worse (chemicals that destroy your skin).

Probably a lot of noise coming from the incels.