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[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

The Western Liberal, try as they might, will attempt to convince everyone that they and the Left are one and the same and that they are distinguished from the "Conservatives". You can already see this in this very thread lol..

It's really as simple as:

  • Liberals and conservatives are in fundamental agreement with each other (both believe in free-market principles, both support the superexploitation of the Global South for resources, both are a-okay with setting up settler-colonies from time to time to ease economic tensions at the cost of Indigenous land and lives).
  • Liberals will appropriate Leftist talking points (even if they have no need to when under the protection of capitalist interests) to blurry the lines between liberalism and leftism, so as to neuter revolutionary fervor (the end results of this are color revolutions, welfare capitalism, socdem poison, etc..). Conservatives don't even bother with the charades.
  • Conservatism, libertarianism, etc.. are a subset of liberalism.
  • Death to AmeriKKKa, the Euroanglo-Zionazi Entity and the KKKommonwealth.
[–] plyth@feddit.org 6 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The lie is the omission of the fourth group of the people who hate guns.

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They're in the liberals category

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago

Shouldn't a liberal person grant the right to own guns if they are the Capitalism-liking kind of liberal?

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 4 points 14 hours ago

All of it is shit, right?

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

As a leftist I do not like guns. I guess that is the lie.

[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago

I like to think there are leftists who understand US gun regulations are a joke but that doesn’t mean gun ban like conservatives committing a logical fallacy on the topic say.

[–] starman2112@lemmy.world 15 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered. Any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago

You sound like a conservative where any acknowledging of US gun regulations being a joke gets met with some claim that we’re advocating to ban guns.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

What if we're not American have never had guns in the first place?

Why is every discussion of left vs right politics always couched as if only the United States has politics and the rest of the world essentially doesn't exist in any real meaningful sense?

[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

That's a Marx quote, not about the US.

[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 hours ago

Because special interests in the US had turned any meaningful discussion about guns into you either love guns or you want to ban them, no in between.

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

To me leftists are revolutionary. I'm curious to know how you're going to be part of a revolution without an actual threat to power.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world -3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You don't need guns to make a revolution. In fact, guns make the worst type of revolution, one that leads to civil war. So if your type of leftism cares about wellbeing of your fellow humans, you would like to avoid a civil war by all means.
A person having a rifle was a threat to power, when power also meant people with rifles, not anymore. The power will thrive in a civil war scenario

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 5 points 5 hours ago

Must be nice living in fantasy land

[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I’m a leftist who doesn’t much care for guns but I’ll use one if I fucking have to.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world -3 points 7 hours ago

Thanks for giving a straight forward response without quoting a footnote from some random asshole's third lost manuscript.

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