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[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

To me leftists are revolutionary. I'm curious to know how you're going to be part of a revolution without an actual threat to power.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world -3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

You don't need guns to make a revolution. In fact, guns make the worst type of revolution, one that leads to civil war. So if your type of leftism cares about wellbeing of your fellow humans, you would like to avoid a civil war by all means.
A person having a rifle was a threat to power, when power also meant people with rifles, not anymore. The power will thrive in a civil war scenario

[–] starman2112@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Everyone knows the best revolutions are ones where the powers that be are simply convinced to give up their power by facts and logic, like what happened with women's suffrage, or civil rights, or gay rights. No guns or violence involved with those!

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 5 points 10 hours ago

Must be nice living in fantasy land

[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I’m a leftist who doesn’t much care for guns but I’ll use one if I fucking have to.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world -3 points 12 hours ago

Thanks for giving a straight forward response without quoting a footnote from some random asshole's third lost manuscript.

[–] VAVHV@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are reformist and pacifist leftists too (like democratic socialists, syndicalists, anarcho-pacifists), not that I agree with any of them completely.

Leftism at its simplest definition is just opposing social hierarchy (which right wing ideologies like capitalism, fascism, and monarchism promote) in favor of socialism (which can also include communism, anarchism, and syndicalism).

It's because leftism is so broad with differing methods that many leftists hate each other. If you narrow down the definition of leftist to only your own political beliefs, then there wouldn't be much leftists to hate.

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reformism is liberal, you won't be able to reform capitalists within the system they created and control.

[–] VAVHV@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 19 hours ago

I agree that it's an ineffective method, but they are still considered leftists. Marx refers to them as utopian socialists.