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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

Gosh, stop trying so hard to make me not want play your game, I can only take so much!

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The last "serious about anticheat" game was hacked on release day. On Windows. With kernel-level AC.

Fuck off with your lies.

[–] harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago

Since rust, the game, was launched one year after rust, the language, can we get the rust foundation to sue them for shits and giggles?

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

15 years ago, any developer who wanted to install low-level malware on your system would have been rightfully laughed out of the room.

It really shows how tech illiterate the modern user is.

[–] dermanus@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Ok, I wasn't gonna play that anyway, I prefer games that don't incentivize cheating.

[–] monis@ttrpg.network 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hear hackers run rampant in Rust.

Are they trying to say Valve isn't serious about anti-cheat?

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is the funny part: they run rampant on official servers. The community hosted ones with independent admins and moderators have much cleaner playing fields lol, and they can turn off the kernel level EAC

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 2 days ago

If I need spyware to ensure I’m playing a game right, that’s a game I don’t need.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 days ago

If you can't play a specific game on linux due to anti-cheat and you still have to encounter cheaters on windows - is this a linux problem somehow?

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 days ago

I mean if you run on an operating system, you’re not really serious about anti cheat. You should require all of your players to buy your own hardware that is sealed in a titanium box. They should have to give a blood sample before each session, and they should have to be completely surrounded by webcams the entire time. Better yet, have them report to their nearest prison’s solitary confinement wing for a 100% monitored play session.

Let’s get actually serious about anti cheat.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 67 points 2 days ago

If the game Rust is what is keeping you away from being on Linux it might be best you never go to Linux. Just save us all the future headache, thanks.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

So much for my Steam Machine plans.

Welp, enjoy your rootkits and privacy violations.

[–] who@feddit.org 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

When we stopped support for Linux, we saw more cheat users exploiting Linux, than actual legitimate users. — reddit

That's curious phrasing. Did he expect legitimate users to stick around after support was taken away? Or does he mean that there were more cheaters than legit users before support was dropped?

That's not to say that cheating was super widespread on Linux, — blog

Okay, so his blog post suggests that it was the former, making his original argument really bizarre.

When we stopped supporting Linux, users made up less than .01% of the total player base, even if that number has doubled, or tripled, it's not worth it. — reddit

When we discontinued linux support in 2019, — blog

The Steam Deck was released three years later, and nearly four more years have passed since its release. The portion of gamers using Linux has grown considerably more than he imagines above, and continues to grow.

Enabling proton support would mean we're asking the EAC team to provide support for a whole other platform, which we fear would reduce their ability to support Windows — blog

That is a false dichotomy. Rather than assuming what the Easy Anti-Cheat folks would do if more support were needed for Linux, he should probably ask. I would expect them to respond to increased demand by hiring qualified staff, not diverting existing staff to tasks for which they are unqualified. This is how businesses grow.

For now, we're still weighing up the risks and will continue to explore options with EAC. Don't expect to see Proton support in the near future, but we hope to have it enabled someday. — blog

I think that's the most sensible thing he has written on the topic.

[–] exu@feditown.com 26 points 2 days ago

EAC supports Proton, the devs only need to enable it. And if they think something is lacking compared to Windows, I'm sure they could get Valve to work with EAC on improving those aspects.

[–] CHOPSTEEQ@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I know you don’t need to hear this but just for the record, ARC Raiders just launched with EAC and works perfectly in Proton. This dude is either lying or ignorant, and I’m not sure which is worse.

[–] NichtElias@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago

Brawlhalla has been running fine with EAC for years too

[–] msokiovt@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

He's a lying sack of potatoes. I literally called it out on here when I read his gaslighting Reddit post. EA did the exact same thing with Apex Legends, of which my producer was a heavy Apex player on Steam.

[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The main problem for developers isn't that it's hard to implement. It's the fact that EAC runs in userspace on Linux and is pretty trivial to bypass.

With that said, I want Linux to be THE gaming platform. Problem is that server side anti-cheat is not as widespread in gaming as it should be.

[–] CHOPSTEEQ@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

ARC Raiders definitely has some server side checks. On launch day I was selling items too fast and got a pop up that I violated some constraint and that I was being sent back to the lobby with my inventory in the last good state.

That should honestly just be the norm.

[–] NOPper@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago

It's Platinum rated on ProtonDB since before the actual launch. https://www.protondb.com/app/1808500

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

By the way, even in 2019 having only 0.01% Linux players in a game that officially supports Linux feels abysmally bad. I'd wager it had Linux support on paper only and when you tried playing it would be an awful experience.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

Can confirm. Their builds were pretty bad.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

... Rust still exists? As in, the murder-hobo-survival game that was early access like, 10-15 years ago?

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago

I thought they were talking about the programming language.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago

It's been polished a lot since then (they update every month), but yeah, it's still around and it's fun. Sucks that Alistair has this take tho.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is very different from the Early Access times. At some point they have rebuilt the whole game from ground up. Still is a murder-hobo-survival but is much more fun, nicer looking, better optimized and higher-skill-based game.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

That is still absolutely loaded to the gills with cheaters. DNSL has a whole series of videos where he trolls people on the server using cheats. 😂

[–] msokiovt@lemmy.today 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Dude should ask Linux players how they can actually play games with EAC and Battleye if that box is turned on, then they'll realize that none of the cheaters use Linux (if any at all). Most, if not all of them, use Windows with specialized scripts.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The headline confused me for a second. I was like, aren’t they adding more and more rust to the kernel?

[–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

Same, I had to double check the article lol. Rust next to the word developer was a sort of short-sighted phrasing.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago

RUST is a game, Rust is the programming thing. Maybe we need to normalize that in posting articles lol

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Arc Raiders was just deck verified

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago

I'll buy it for Linux now.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why hasn’t the amazing economy propelling AI industry fixed cheating yet?

[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

My suspicion says that Valve use AI in VAC these days. I have no proof of anything but in my opinion it would be the smart thing to do. And something major happened in TF2 a few months ago where they finally managed to ban the rampant bot cheaters. Could be AI or it could just be Valve finally taking the problem seriously.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

They made TF2 good? I might reinstall it on my PC.

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And nothing of value was lost.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago

We have Rust at home.

[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 7 points 2 days ago

Third rate game's developer says people who already have EAC working on proton are "not serious" uh....

[–] Kronusdark@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are so many alternatives to these sort of games now. I am not sure it's a good idea to just give your players the middle finger like that.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 2 days ago

Every single one of them is also better than Rust. Ark, Conan Exiles, that new Dune game, Palworld...

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

There is a personal element to this, somehow. The developer's relationship with Linux took a weird turn at one point and there's been a will-they-won't-they tension ever since.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Games shouldn’t be serious about anti-cheat.

[–] DesolateMood@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago

Games should be serious about anticheat, it just shouldn't require a rootkit into the players computer

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Singleplayer games*

Edit: include non-competitive multiplayer too

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Rust? That's a beverage in star citizen

[–] essell@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And what my car is mostly made of right now.

(It was brand new when Star Citizen was announced)

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[–] umt@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 days ago

I have no plans to play Rust, so no harm no foul I guess.

[–] OR3X@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I tried to get into Rust a few times and never liked it. One time I even played with a decent group of people and it still sucked. They can keep their game.

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